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 11-02-2004, 11:43 Post: 99719
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Our 2002 model 4210 with 85 hours grinds at every gear change, does anyone have a fix, our is this a common problem as the dealer suggests. The clutch seems to not be fully disengaging, when pushing in the clutch on a small hill the tractor does not roll backwards until you take it out of gear. This was all recently inspected by the dealer.
Also, where can I purchase a repair manual for this tractor?
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 11-02-2004, 12:47 Post: 99725
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 4210 Gear Grinding

The symptoms you outline are suggestive of the clutch being stuck to the pressure plate. You need to have a look in the clutch housing to see what the problem is. It could be caused by a number of things. It is normal however for there to be some grinding if you attempt to shift too soon after depressing the clutch. The gears need a few seconds to slow down on most gear shift tractors.






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 11-03-2004, 08:54 Post: 99760
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 4210 Gear Grinding

Isn't that tractor under warrantee? You do have a definite problem that will not cure itself. Adjusting might help but why with only the low hours..






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 11-03-2004, 10:00 Post: 99763
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Yes the tractor has low hours but it is a 2002 model. I bought it from the original owner and the problem was noted at the time of purchase but was told it would break-in with use. He had used it little because of the grinding and had other equipment he could use and no time to return the 4210 to the dealer which is over 100 miles away.
When he did finally return it to the dealer he was charged nearly $800 and told it was “normal”. He was not a happy man and sold the tractor.
I did a little "re-adjusting" of the clutch linkage and it seems better, I need to grade the driveway so I'll find out today if it's really better or "fixed" I was hesitant to assume I knew better how to re-adjust something the dealer just got paid big bucks to “fix”.






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 11-03-2004, 11:12 Post: 99766
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Is this tractor a synchro transmission or the collarshift? The collar shift transmissions are not synchronized and will have scrap if you try to shift them to soon after depressing the clutch. I have a 1999 4200 that has the problem with scraping if i shift too quick.






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 11-03-2004, 20:44 Post: 99800
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 4210 Gear Grinding

I'm only guessing on this one, but I'd assume there is a pilot bearing in the flywheel for the front of the clutch shaft, I've heard of them going bad and causing the same effect. Long time ago in farm tractors the rage of the age was the six armed clutch disc with the little metalic spots that replaced the common fibre clutch disc. Seemed like some of them had problems with the little metalic discs becoming magnetized somehow, again same effect. Just another thought. Frank.






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 11-04-2004, 09:49 Post: 99819
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Yes the tractor is a Colarshift model. It has set running in neutral for a number of minuets at times and still would grind when trying to put it in gear, to the point where I shut the engine off and let everything stop spinning then restarted and shifted into gear. My adjustment of the linkage seemed to help at first but then it was back to its old ways.






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 11-04-2004, 10:24 Post: 99820
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 4210 Gear Grinding

"It has set running in neutral for a number of minuets at times and still would grind when trying to put it in gear"


The gearbox will still be turning, even in neutral if the clutch is out(engaged). It sounds as though you do not have a syncromesh transmission. The important question is then, does the grinding stop if you hold the clutch in for a few seconds before you try to shift it into gear? If it does, it's making noise just because it's a non synchro tranny. If it continues to grind after holding the clutch in for a long time, then the clutch is hanging up. This then will require a fair amount of work if it's not just a linkage problem.

It would be interesting to know just what the dealer did for $800.
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 11-04-2004, 11:12 Post: 99824
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These tractors have a wet clutch, and the synchro transmission would not scrape when going in gear if the gears were still turning slowly, but the collar shift with the wet clutch could be still turning slowly due to the hyd. fluid moving it. Mine is a 99 model collar shift and it is worse when it is cold than it is when it is hot. It is something that you will probably have to live with or trade it. They are pretty tough transmissions.






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 11-09-2004, 10:30 Post: 100106
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Dave
Here is what was stated on the work order.
One Hydraulic filter $23.95
Hydraulic Hy Guard Low viscosity $82.60
Labor 8.5hrs $595.00
Misc. Supplies $25.00
Total $762.55

The labor include a clutch linkage adjustment --- and that’s all you get for $762.55






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