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 | junkman 8556
Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 8 beattie kansas 
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2004-01-13 73835
I just bought a used 4410 deere mfwd ehydro and I am
shopping for a boxblade. It looks like the king kutter is of reasonable quality and price but I dont know what size
to buy 5 or 6 ft ? it will be used for landscaping in mixed
soil types. It has fluid filled R4 rear tires and front
weights.
Does anyone have any sugestions? this is the first
compact tractor I have been around my two closest deere
dealers have never sold or even seen one and I would
like to get it right the first time
thanks
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 | kwschumm
Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 5764 NW Oregon 
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2004-01-13 73837
The general rule is your box blade should be wide enough to completely cover your tracks. I run a 72" box blade on my 4310 without any trouble so I'm sure your 4410 could handle it just fine. ....
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| TomG
Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 5406 Upper Ottawa Valley
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2004-01-13 73850
I use a 6' 700+ lbs. scraper on my 24 pto hp tractor with turf tires. The traction can be a bit challenged but manageable. I like some extra width outside the rear tires. It lets me get closer to things and do minor ditching as well. It also puts about the right width crowns on top of my 14' drives without having to work two courses per side.
Weight is a rough measure of quality in scrapers--generally the heavier the better. Light ones don't cut some soils very well. The top-link mounts on some scrapers tend to be more failure prone and heavier scrapers are also generally more rugged. My dealer turfed one after-market make because some he sold came back with broken mounts. I don't know which brand though.
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| DK35vince
Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 689 Western,Pa. 
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2004-01-13 73854
On a 4410, go with 6' ....
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| junkman 8556
Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 8 beattie kansas
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2004-01-13 73856
sounds great I will go for a 72 inch box blade but I
think I will do a little more shopping I see a KK blade
on Ebay that has been bent on the top link supports and
had to be repaired I would rather pay a little more
for something a little heavier ....
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| cef2lion
Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 41 PA
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2004-01-13 73862
I have a 4410 and went with a Monroe Tufline TB266 boxblade. I considered a 5 or 6 foot and then saw Monroe had a 5.5. The 6 foot should not be an issue for a 4410.
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 | itsgottobegreen
Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 329 Mt. Airy, MD
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2004-01-13 73876
rule of tumb is the width of the bucket on the tractor is the width of the box scraper. On rear blades one foot wider than the bucket and rake 2 foot. So a 48" bucket would be a 48" box blade, 60" rear blade and 72" rake. ....
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 | Chief
Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 4297 Southwest MiddleTennessee
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2004-01-13 73883
I use a Land Pride 1584 Landscaping Rake to maintain my driveway with. Works extremely well! ....
Link: Land Pride 1584 Landscaping Rake
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| sshuma
Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 38
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2004-01-14 73970
kwschumm -- Which blade did you get for you 4310? I'm thinking of adding one to the package I've been working on (I'm the guy with the 'Seriously Considering a 4310' post), but was confused on the difference between a JD 45 6' blade and a Frontier Medium Duty blade.... Also, would it make more sense to get the optional 72" blade for the 430 loader and use it to grade the driveway? ....
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| kwschumm
Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 5764 NW Oregon
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2004-01-14 73973
I've got a Frontier BB1172. Seems to be pretty robust and it has done all I've asked of it, but I must admit I haven't really stressed it. I've never used a blade on the loader so not sure about that - sure would have been handy for our recent snows though. The box blade takes some getting used to but so do most implements. You've gotta develop a technique with all of 'em. The best thing for drive maintenance would probably be a drag scraper, which is a suspended blade riding on tires(check out Mark Hunstiger's pictures for one he made, but you can buy 'em). The problem with a drag scraper, though, is it's not as multi-purpose as a box scraper IMHO. ....
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| junkman 8556
Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 8 beattie kansas
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2004-01-15 74037
hey in shopping for box blades I see some have a fixed
rear and outhers have a hinged rear. it seems like the
floating or hinged gate would work better on a small
tractor but Im just guessing any comments?
also some have hydrluic retracting teeth but they get
pretty heavy I think the brand was monroe and weight on
a 5.5 ft was over 1000 lbs for this style they called
for at least 40 hp my 4410 ofcourse is rated 35hp
probably unless a guy is using it every day the retracting
teeth are uneccary but it shure would be cool and you cant put a price on cool!!!!!? ....
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| TomG
Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 5406 Upper Ottawa Valley
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2004-01-15 74045
Swinging rear cutters mostly allow the rear cutter to swing out of the way so the front blade can take heavier cuts--otherwise it ends up riding on the back of the rear cutter. They do allow choices of a greater range of blade angles. Very fine ones are possible that can't be used on fixed cutter models because the box rolls back on the rear cutter, which lift the front blade.
I've heard swinging ones do a marginally better job of spreading fine material but can't recall where I head that.
I think many swinging rear cutters lock in place so there's the choice of fixed or swinging operation. I don't think I've ever wished for a swinging cutter myself but ignorance is bliss I hear. I've also never wanted for hydraulic scarifiers or the very expensive roll over boxes either. They are great time savers for contractors who use the equipment almost daily and charge hourly rates. I guess a swinging cutter would allow me to get steeper back walls on shallow excavations which would cut down on the loader work. ....
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| junkman 8556
Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 8 beattie kansas
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2004-01-16 74119
I went the city today looked at several brands and
styles after looking comparing and asking questions
I have decided on my original choice a 6 ft KK
fixed back box blade with manual adjust teeth
Its built very well its cheap and I am going to give it a try ....
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| TomG
Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 5406 Upper Ottawa Valley
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2004-01-16 74130
Good the decision is made but there may be more to it. Getting a scraper makes getting a hydraulic top-link very very attractive. There's a lot of good reading about them in the archives.
If I didn't have a rear outlet and didn't want to pay for one I might consider getting a cylinder with hoses long enough to steal the loader curl valve and do without the loader when using the scraper. A hydraulic top-link is that good with a scraper. ....
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| DK35vince
Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 689 Western,Pa.
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2004-01-16 74139
junkman,
The King Kutter boxblade should work out just fine for you, mine has !! ....
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| junkman 8556
Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 8 beattie kansas
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2004-01-16 74244
The hyd. top link looks like a good Idea .In just looking
at this implement and having never used one I'm thinking
that top link adjustment is a big part of how it works
and a hyd. top link would really work slick
Top and tilt as deere calls it would be better but that
opens a whole new can of worms.
I have a single rear set of coulplers so I'm set up
and ready. I know I have seen surpluss cylinders with
the swivels on them allready about the right size.
looks like a fun challange the search is on!! ....
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| DK35vince
Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 689 Western,Pa.
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2004-01-16 74247
A hydraulic top link comes in real handy with a boxblade.
My photos #16 and #17 shows the top and tilt cyliners I added by welding differant ends on tie rod cylinders.
Photo #19 gives an idea how much I can tilt the backblade. ....
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 | harvey
Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 1550 Moravia, NY 
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2004-01-17 74256
That is the cool part about the hinged cutters. You do not have to keep adhusting the toplink lenght.
But hyd top links are a good idea. ....
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| TomG
Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 5406 Upper Ottawa Valley
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2004-01-17 74274
Harvey made a fine comment indeed, and definitely add that to the list of hinged cutter advantages. I hadn't thought of that. I know when I work my fixed cutter scraper my hand is seldom off the top-link control and I have to watch how the box is working almost constantly to adjust the rate of cut. It doesn't take much provocation for the rear cutter to get in the way and lift the front cutter. Then the cut turns into a drag and my nice grade gets messed up. Little provocation is needed for it to turn into a traction breaking gouge either.
Blade angle is almost everything in working a scraper and I seldom touch the 3ph. I don't know if a hinged cutter would eliminate the need for top-link adjustment to change from cut to drag to spreading actions, but being able to do that on the fly is almost everything for making a scraper useful. A hydraulic top-link might still be good to have with a hinged cutter but anything that would keep both my hands on the steering wheel and more time looking at where I'm going than at the box definitely would be good.
Hydraulic tilt would be nice but I have to get by with the 3ph side-leveler. I do have a crank adjust on the 3ph though. ....
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