Reinforcing 420 loader bucket top for hooks: John Deere Review  -- John Deere Tractors Discussion Forum and Review Reinforcing 420 loader bucket top for hooks: John Deere Review -- John Deere Tractors Discussion Forum

  parts   |   manuals   |   discussion   |   photos   |   podcast   |   reviews   |   specs   |   dealers   |   classifieds   |   contact   |   faq   |   myProfile   |   home          Login Now | Sign Up


FAQ:   What is a tractor?

Forum Index
New As Posted | Active Subjects



www.emerichsales.com - New & Used Equipment
          View Tractors For Sale!


www.partsbynet.com - Lawn and Garden Equipment Parts


Bernardsville Landscape Lighting
Click to Post a New Message!

Discussion Boards > Active Subjects > Messages as Posted > John Deere Review Forum

Page [ 1 ] |
Reply | Pop Up Window Reply | Add PhotoAdd Photo
 01-19-2002, 18:40 Post: 34750
Gary in Indiana



Join Date:
Location:
TractorPoint Premium Member -- 5 Tractors = Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 1

2
Filter by User
 Reinforcing 420 loader bucket top for hooks

I want to put some hooks on the top of my 420 loader bucket on my John Deere 4200 MFWD so I can secure a rope, strap or chain if I need to. The metal there doesn't look the heaviest so I'm planning on bending some plate steel to match the radius of the bucket there and weld to the inside before I attach the hooks. My plan is to weld a solid bead all the way around the four sides of the new reinforcing plate so as to avoid any gaps being homes for dirt and moisture which could lead to premature rusting. Am I thinking of this right here? Then I'd either weld or bolt big loop hooks on either end and in the middle with a couple of clevis chain hooks midway between the ends and the middle hook. I figure that way anything I'd want to do I could from about any position. Any thoughts on doing this or another way to go about it now before I get started?






Reply to PostReply | Quote Post Reply to PostQuote Reply | Add PhotoAdd Photo




Bookmarks: Digg It | Del.icio.us | Stumble This

 01-19-2002, 19:24 Post: 34755
cutter



View my Photos

View my Photos  Pics
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: The South Shore of Lake Ontario, New York
TractorPoint Premium Member -- 5 Tractors = Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 1292
 Reinforcing 420 loader bucket top for hooks

Gary,

My company purchases a hook with a steel mounting plate attached. They then weld this product to the inside of the bucket near the top and center. This works well and you avoid having your line or strap making that abrupt turn over a possibly sharp upper bucket lip. I have kicked several ideas around and am debating the use of a pintle hook in this area. It would give me a positive closing on my strap plus allow me to move my pole trailer around easily. I am just a bit leery as to the effect of debree on the thing over time. I will probably end up with some sort of hook or loop that I can lace a D hook over when in use and remove it when done. I plan on using a steel backing plate and drilling and bolting it into place. I will calk it up good for moisture defense when I mount it. I have serious doubts about welding this type of thing to thin steel. Heat could possible weaken the spot or case harden it and make it brittle, as well as deform it. But then, the newer welders are less prone to doing that I have heard. Just my opinion of course, plenty of engineers on this board that can help you more than I!






Reply to PostReply | Quote Post Reply to PostQuote Reply | Add PhotoAdd Photo




Bookmarks: Digg It | Del.icio.us | Stumble This

 01-19-2002, 21:11 Post: 34762
cordspa



Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Phoenix
TractorPoint Premium Member -- 5 Tractors = Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 4
 Reinforcing 420 loader bucket top for hooks

Cutter is right with the hook and plate. Don't mount hooks at the ends of the loader. when you pick something up from the end of bucket it will bend or twist the loader frame. I think mounting on the top outside is best. That way the chain can't come out when you roll the bucket. It is also easier to reach when your rigging. just stay in center. A chain hook matched to the chain you use is best. Weld it upside down and then you can hook chain in it. That is the most secure system you can get. (weld must be good)Be careful about long welds on thin metal, it will warp easily. A technique called backstepping is better. Start ahead and weld back to yourself about 8-12 inches at a time repeat the step ahead and weld back etc.






Reply to PostReply | Quote Post Reply to PostQuote Reply | Add PhotoAdd Photo




Bookmarks: Digg It | Del.icio.us | Stumble This

 01-19-2002, 23:12 Post: 34765
Gary in Indiana



Join Date:
Location:
TractorPoint Premium Member -- 5 Tractors = Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 1

2
Filter by User
 Reinforcing 420 loader bucket top for hooks

Thanks for your responses. I think I'm going to have to stay with mounting the hooks on the outside (top) if for no other reason than this particular bucket has a radius turn on the top down (to the inside) which precludes mounting on the inside. With the arc or radius downward at the top of the bucket, I see no other way to go. The good news is that it'll avoid contact with any sharp edge. I still want the full width reinforcement, but might go with shorter welds and caulking to weather seal it if any of the engineers here think I should be concerned with longer welds. While I want hooks near either end I'd never use just one near one end. My thought was by having one near either end I could use both ends together when I need a wider 'base' for lifting things like a fuel tank or big toolbox into the bed of the truck. I hope that makes sense the way I explained it. Is my thinking logical on this?






Reply to PostReply | Quote Post Reply to PostQuote Reply | Add PhotoAdd Photo




Bookmarks: Digg It | Del.icio.us | Stumble This

 01-20-2002, 01:21 Post: 34767
jyoutz



Join Date: Feb 2002
Location:
TractorPoint Premium Member -- 5 Tractors = Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 48
 Reinforcing 420 loader bucket top for hooks

Gary, I welded my grab hooks to a piece of 1/4 inch thick angle iron (3x3"Wink yeah right. Then I bolted this to the top outside bucket edge with grade 8 bolts. On the inside bucket edge, I backed the nuts with a 1/4" flat 3" plate of steel. This is very easy to do, reinforces the bucket edge, and its cheap.






Reply to PostReply | Quote Post Reply to PostQuote Reply | Add PhotoAdd Photo




Bookmarks: Digg It | Del.icio.us | Stumble This

 01-22-2002, 15:58 Post: 34848
steve arnold



Join Date:
Location:
TractorPoint Premium Member -- 5 Tractors = Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 1
 Reinforcing 420 loader bucket top for hooks

Gary, I welded and bolted U.S. made forged tow hooks on the ouside top of bucket as close to the welded joint of the side plates as I could with a slight inward angle (10 or 20 degrees) from tractor centerline.

I have a jd 970 it may or may not have heavier steel but additional 1/4 inch plates would not have hurt.

the tow hooks are the same ones for 4x4 trucks. I stay away from chinese cast iron (pintle hooks, tow hooks, bench vises etc.)

At the time I worked for a seat belt company and had an excess of 5000# obsolete webbing to work with so I figured these wide mouthed hooks would work better and they did. they also work with 3/8 chain but I sometimes now I wish they were 3/8 chain hooks instead.






Reply to PostReply | Quote Post Reply to PostQuote Reply | Add PhotoAdd Photo




Bookmarks: Digg It | Del.icio.us | Stumble This

 01-23-2002, 06:19 Post: 34858
TomG

TP Contributor

Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Upper Ottawa Valley
TractorPoint Premium Member -- 5 Tractors = Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 5406
 Reinforcing 420 loader bucket top for hooks

Just a comment on Grade 70 clevis grab hooks. I have several U.S. made 5/16th grab hooks. I bought several more from the same tractor supply a year later, but they were Chinese made. The Chinese made hooks didn't have as much clearance around the clevis as the U.S. made hooks and they cannot be forced from one side of the link to the other on new 5/16th chain. The hooks always stick out at an angle from the chain.

I'd hang onto U.S. made ones when you find them. My Chinese hooks are on tow chain that stays in the truck where I may never have to use them. Who knows, maybe the hooks would work properly after the chain is stretched once.






Reply to PostReply | Quote Post Reply to PostQuote Reply | Add PhotoAdd Photo




Bookmarks: Digg It | Del.icio.us | Stumble This

 01-25-2002, 10:39 Post: 34920
DRankin



View my Photos

View my Photos  Pics
Join Date: Jan 2000
Location: Northern Nevada
TractorPoint Premium Member -- 5 Tractors = Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 5105
 Reinforcing 420 loader bucket top for hooks

I have a JD 4100 and a 410 loader. I have one big forged tow hook in the middle of the bucket pointing up and attached with 2, grade 8, 3/8 inch bolts. To my mind this is much stronger than welding, and if I had a concern about rust underneath it I would hose it down on a regular basis with WD 40. So far it has been one of the most useful attachments to my tractor. I have used it to lift and position heavy three point implements and an antique ore car that had to weigh 800 lbs. I have pulled down trees and skidded logs through the brush. I am currently using it to pull down or extract the posts on an old horse corral. Doesn’t sound like much until you know that the posts are all railroad ties and phone poles. Did the upper lip of the bucket bend with all this work? Yes. It compressed 1/8 inch as compared to the edges of the bucket and stayed there. I guess if I had reinforced the top lip I could have limited the deformation to 1/16 or so but I doubt that I could have limited the deformation to zero. I can live with the 1/8 inch.
A big open forged hook allows the use of rope or chain and will also grab the top pin on your three point tools or the loop of a heavy tow strap. It is a most useful tool and I wouldn’t be without it.






Reply to PostReply | Quote Post Reply to PostQuote Reply | Add PhotoAdd Photo




Bookmarks: Digg It | Del.icio.us | Stumble This

Reply | Pop Up Window Reply | Add PhotoAdd Photo


Page [ 1 ] |

Discussion Boards > Active Subjects > Messages as Posted > John Deere Review Forum

Thread 34750 Filter by Poster:
cordspa 1 | cutter 1 | DRankin 1 | Gary in Indiana 2 | jyoutz 1 | steve arnold 1 | TomG 1 |




Most Viewed

+ John Deere 2210 Backhoe Review
+ John Deere vs Kubota Compact Tractors
+ John Deere 790 fuel shut-off solenoid failing???
+ John Deere low viscosity HY GARD
+ John Deere JD 4100 Wiring diagram
+ JD 790 or Kubota L3000DT
+ Should I buy a John Deere 4105???
+ John Deere 4300 turns over but won't start
+ John Deere 455 garden tractor
+ Oil Change for Diesel Tractor

Most Discussion

+ John Deere 4300 scuffing......
+ Possible Solution To The 4000
+ Dealer out to lunch
+ Just got my new JD 4410 - Prob
+ Hello Green, Goodbye Orange
+ Receiver hitch for iMatch
+ 4300 wheel bolt problems
+ 4000 Ten Series 50 hour break
+ Don't buy JD compact tractors.
+ Oil Change for Diesel Tractor

Newest Topics

+ Oil overflow from tube and Smoke
+ John Deere 4100 gear 3 point not workin
+ 2000 John Deer Gator 4 X2
+ Mini Excavator SY20C - Small Body with Big Power
+ John Deer 1070 starting problem
+ John Deere 990
+ Tractors R Us
+ john deere 4100 with 410 loader hydraulic problem
+ John Deere 2032R Buying advice
+ John Deere 2010 loss of hydraulics













Turbochargers for Tractors and Industrial Machines
Cab Glass for Tractors and Industrial Machines

Alternators for Tractors and Industrial Machines
Radiators for Tractors and Industrial Machines

Driveline Components for Tractors and Industrial Machines
Starter Motors for Tractors and Industrial Machines