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 08-26-2000, 08:56 Post: 19136
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I am looking at purchasing either a JD 4100 HST or a JD 790 w/4 WD...both would have live pto....I know this issue has been dealt with before in previous posts....in regards to which is best tractor , etc......One of my main concerns is pto horsepower....or lack of it.... from specs I have seen..looks like the 790 has about 25 pto and the 4100 has 17 or so....I want to do snowblowing and tilling..do any board memebers have any advice as to my concerns.??? so long as implement is matched to tractor size...should I be too concerned with actual pto output.????with the 790 being a bigger tractor physically and an extra 500 or so lbs heavier...is it all sort of relative.???any and all input appreciated...thx...Glen






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 08-27-2000, 01:56 Post: 19164
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Glen, I have a 4100 and this tractor is perfect for my use. I have a belly mower, rear scoop, 5' blade, 52 rototiller and one bottom plow. I can use all of these implements very easily with the 4100. The 4100 handles the 52" tiller with very little effort. I've also borrowed and used a 4 foot box scraper and this tractor handles it very well, and I think it would also do a good job with a 5' box. What I think you should do is to decide what size implement you primarily need to use and then base your tractor size accordingly. For example, with a rotary mower: the 4100 will do a good job handling a 4' model but I don't think a 5' is advised, the 790 will handle a 5' rotary cutter. On the other hand, the 4100 is more manuverable for mowing and is a better choice for close-in work. I looked at the 790 and really liked what I saw, but it seemed a little large for my needs. The 790 is a lot of tractor for the money. You can't really go wrong with either unit, providing you size the tractor and implements accordingly.






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 08-27-2000, 08:22 Post: 19167
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Jim,
Thanks for the info...in my first posting I neglected to be more specific..in regards to the 4100 HST....my father in law has a used John Deere tiller..which is 60 inches or 5 feet wide..not sure of the weight.....he uses it behind his JD 950.... so...will I be able to make use of this tiller behind a 4100 HST ????
I was looking at the 3 pt hitch lift capacity for the 4100.....which incidently is more than the 790....and I would think...that lifting the 60 inch tiller would be no problem.....just wondering if I could turn the tines in soil with 16 or 17 pto horsepower.????
any thoughts, suggestions....would the 790 handle this tiller .????

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 08-27-2000, 08:39 Post: 19169
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 JD 4100 vs JD 790

As I recall, the 790 is a fair bit bigger than the 4100. I think that 5 ft tiller might be too much for the 4100 but probably fine with the 790. And when it comes to weight in tractors, more is usually better. It's not like power/weight ratio determining how fast a car will go. The heavier 790 will pull more, throw more, and dig more BECAUSE it's heavier and more powerful.






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 08-27-2000, 21:23 Post: 19181
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 JD 4100 vs JD 790

I have a 58" tiller that I bought from TSC. It works great on the 4100. It weighs about 450 lbs. The 4100 never even labors when I bury the tiller. For the money I would have gone with the 790 if it had a hydro trans.






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 08-28-2000, 08:18 Post: 19188
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I was kind of afraid you might say that....in regards to 60 inch tiller.......
and yet Larry in MI says he has 58 inch tiller..that works just fine...?????

I will say the 16/17 pto horsepower scares me a little on the 4100 HST...as say opposed to the 25 pto at rear of the 790...

One of my other concerns is doing lawn cutting around the house with the 790..?? With the weight being the chief villian here... I can see myself leaving two sets of wheel marks with every pass.!!!If I was cutting a field..no problem...but the lawns around the house may take a beating.??? yes/no ??? anyone can comment...

the gear vs hydro doesn't bother me in the least...and from what I have seen of the previous postings on this subject......the general consensus is that with both tractors being almost identical in price.....you are getting more tractor for your money with the 790 and that fit and finish seem to be better on the 790.........

And with regards to mowers.....mid mount or rear 3 pt mount.....which should I go with.????

thx for all your comments..need to find out as much as I can about these two great machines....

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 08-28-2000, 10:08 Post: 19193
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Glen, I have a 60" JD tiller on my 4600 and it always handles it fairly easily which it should. I almost always run it as deep as it will go be it in loose dirt or hard untouched dirt. In my clay soil I would not recomend a 4100 and a 60" tiller, in fact a 50" would be pushing it. Keep in mind that when you buy a tiller you want your tractor to be able to handle it in all conditions, hard soil, deep or shallow. The Deere 50"& 60" tillers will till up to 8" deep, some other tillers only 4"-6" so keep this in mind when buying. I owned a 970 before my 4600 with a 6' belly mower which I highly recomend and as far as weight the 970 is quite a bit more tractor than the 790 and I had no damage what so ever to my lawn. Rear mount or belly is a to each his own decision, I tried a 72" rear mount after two years of mowing with my belly mount it did not give me near the cut that the belly mount did and it's easier to see what you are doing with a belly mower like when mowing around trees and etc. If I had big open areas to mow with no obstacles and completly level maybe a rear mount but in my opinion the only advantage with a rear mount is ease of hook up if you remove deck often like I do. I kept my belly mount and took the LandPride back. Hope this helps budinohio.






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 08-28-2000, 20:48 Post: 19214
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 JD 4100 vs JD 790

I have used a 5' tiller with my 4100 and it works but you have to move slowly and it obviously isn't really proper use. My 43 HP Kubota is the better choice. But I don't want to cut around my lawn and trees with the Kubota. Sometimes smaller is better, sometimes it isn't.






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 08-28-2000, 21:33 Post: 19216
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Glen, what do you use now to mow? HST, GST? For ease of use an HST is my preferance. It's too easy to slow, turn, reverse, forward where needed and haven't driven a GST since high school. (too many years ago) Many tiller owners also swear by HST since you can creep very, very slow in tough soil. If you plan to blow some snow around wouldn't the constant engine rpm and HST work better? Never used one so some yuper might help me out here. How bout the 4200, more HP and bigger?






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 08-29-2000, 01:18 Post: 19227
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Glen, your success with the tiller will vary depending on soil moisture and soil type. Last year I started working my "concrete clay" with a 4100. After watering the ground, I used a box scraper with just a couple of rippers set deep (the box weight helped rip deeper into the ground). After watering more, a single ripper (middle buster/subsoiler) helped me go deeper. A tiller wouldn't have scratched my soil--whether 4 or 5 foot. After a few years of improving the soil quality I'll be able to use the tiller without ripping it first. If you have rich loam for soil, you can probably go right to a larger tiller without problem. Otherwise, working hard ground with a light tractor requires a longer process. Best of luck. JonB






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