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 04-24-2000, 21:59 Post: 15070
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i AM VERY CLOSE TO FINALIZING A DEAL ON A jd 4400 HYDRO,LOADER,60 INCH MID MOWERIve E-Mailed Carver Equipment twice trying to receive input on my choices. Basically , my local Kubota dealership just doesnt make me feel comfortable. The Deere dealership has been primarily involved in consumer products but has now branched out into agriculture tractors. Im in North Carolina..Carver is three hours down the road. Ive read the posts on Kubota..how 'bout some imput.Thank you in advance, David Johnson






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 04-25-2000, 16:22 Post: 15093
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David: For what it's worth, I'm VERY HAPPY with my 4400,hydro, loader, & many attachments, but a Woods bush hog instead of a finish mower. JD is taking care of the scuffing problem via the dealer. I think the most important thing is to be happy with the dealer, no matter which one you settle on -- they're both good machines. As has been posted before, look at ease of handling, comfort, ease of getting on & off, view, ease of changing 3-point stuff, etc. BE SURE YOU STRAIGHTEN OUT THE AXLE THING BEFORE YOU BUY! If you think the two machines are equal (I don't, but that's entirely a personal thing)go with the best dealer. "Semper Fi" -- Jack






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 04-25-2000, 21:12 Post: 15111
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Jack's right about the dealer. Spoke to my dealer 3 times today on purchasing a 430 loader. He's having the new front axle sent, said would be in next week. Don't buy the 4400 without the new front axle. I've driven both and there's no comparison. Was mowing the yard this afternoon. Has some moisture and I couldn't use but half steering without starting to scuff. The new axle will not scuff. The dealer has to ask for the retro fit and I have an excellent dealer. Really like the 4400, I believe they were trying to get a real hard turn steering but over did it.






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 00-00-0000, 00:00 Post: 15118
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Thanks, Jack D and Chuck for the imput. Jack D..former MUD MARINE...qqq. Hoo-Rah Devil Dog. I think the John Deere Is quieter and the implement attachment system is superior. The 4400 that I was considering has the new axle and the new parking brake....a simple pull knob. I went to Carver Equipment in Dunn NC today...three hours down the road. I arrived late in the day and had other engagements in the area...wasnt impressed enough to get out of the truck...maybe unfair...but right up the road...301South was a John Deere dealership that was at least as big if not larger. Dealers are important...and a long distance purchase only makes sense when there are no alternatives.Again thanks for the info..P.S.....as small as Carver is they have not responded to two E-Mails two days old. David J






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 04-26-2000, 23:31 Post: 15128
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I recommend you do some research on the relative reliability between that particular JD series and the Kubota B series before ruling one out from the seat of your pickup truck. I have been lurking and posting on this and a couple of other tractor boards for about a year, and the mechanical problems and complaints on the 4000 series has been about 10-1 worse than what I have seen on the Kubota B series. Maybe JD owners just complain harder.

I have to say that, from the seat of my truck the JD is a prettier tractor.






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 04-27-2000, 10:08 Post: 15129
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I agree with Alan that you should factor design/production quality and reliability into any buying decision, but I think you should separate the two issues. IMO, the JD 4000 series (excepting the 4100) has experienced a high rate of initial design/production quality issues. What is not clear is if this will correlate to a long-term reliability issue. An example: I bought a new 1988 Toyota Camry All-Trac and a front transaxle seal failed within 100 miles, taking some other drivetrain components with it. Big, expensive, messy warranty repair. I thought I had really screwed up buying that new, unproven 4-wheel drive design in the Camry. Well, I sold that car 8 years later with 205,000 miles on it including a fair amount of highway trailering. Never had another drivetrain problem, not even wheel bearings. Back to JD: the primary issue with the 4200-4600 series has been the front axle steering design which led to tire scuffing. This issue was not inherently a long-term reliability problem in my book: it's not that it broke or stopped working, it just didn't always work acceptably for many applications. However, if operating on hard surfaces frequently, a short-term effect would definitely be premature tire wear and in the long-term possible premature wear and failure of drive train components. John Deere's long lag time and low-profile approach to fixing this design just added fuel to the fire and caused a lot of negative perceptions of both the product and the company. The other 4x00 problems that I heard more than once were an early hydrostatic thrust washer failure, a PTO engagement/disengagement problem, and a fogging dash. My research showed that these issues were addressed promptly and appropriately by Deere, both in production and in fixing existing tractors. On the Kubota B2710 last year I kept hearing of overheating problems and power steering problems from multiple owners that Kubota wasn't addressing. To me, this could very easily lead to a long-term reliability issue if the engine is being repeatedly subjected to high temperatures beyond the design limit. How successful will we be on that one after the warranty period has expired? Do John Deere owners complain louder? Impossible to answer, but maybe. John Deere has marketed themselves into a premium arena of high expectations - the backlash is vicious then if those expectations are not met. Kubota, although similarly premium-priced IMO, still enjoys a little bit of the underdog factor from many owners because they did not buy from the "green establishment". Of course, this is all just my hot air, but I bet if the 4000 series had the overheating problem and JD was ignoring it, we'd be hearing alot more about it. Maybe we'll hear more from the Kubota owners when it gets hot again.






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 04-27-2000, 10:13 Post: 15130
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Hey Alan, my memory just kicked in finally! Weren't you one of the B2710 owners that had overheating problems last summer? Whatever came of all that? I think another guy was in Australia.






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 04-27-2000, 16:01 Post: 15145
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Yep that was me. I never had the problem anymore. The tractor never overheated at all, in fact the temp gauge will only get about halfway in 100 + degree weather. The problem was with the power steering in real hot weather, and it started happening right after I changed the fluids at 50 hours. My dealer picked up the tractor and, after talking with Kubota they changed the hydraulic fluids again, and I never had the problem again (so far). When I changed the fluids I put super UDT in there, which they recommend for cold weather generally, but don't discourage for hot weather. My dealer says they put super UDT back in, but I have my doubts.

I will see how the tractor does when it gets real hot again and keep everyone posted.






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