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 03-23-2006, 20:56 Post: 126594
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4410 E hydro 380 hours - Broke the right rear axle housing on my 4410 last week. Main spline broke a tooth and the piece got caught between the gear and the housing. Has anyone else with a 4210, 4310, or 4410, experienced this major problem? Parts were $1000. Don't have the bad news on the labor cost yet.

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 03-24-2006, 08:11 Post: 126611
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I would not think such a thing could happen with out an accident or misuse. How did it happen?






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 03-24-2006, 17:03 Post: 126625
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I know of two in the past 2 years, and the one had it happen twice. I don't recall if shatter the axle housing --I think it was the ring and pinions on both. The first one happened while using a box scraper with the scarifiers down pulling roots in wet Spring clay---a lot of tire slipping, but it still happened. The other one that it happened twice to was doing loader work which he really shouldn't have been using like a backhoe or dozer---really hard clay.






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 03-17-2007, 21:22 Post: 140492
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I have broke both axle housings on my 4410 twice using a 47 backhoe. I do have both tires loaded with fluid. I assume that the backhoe mount was the culprit, but it may be a combination of poor design and the loaded tires...I am not sure. The axle housings on a 4410 are solid aluminum (not steel), and I believe that this is part of the problem. In both cases, the foward bolts on the axle housings were broken in two, and the aluminum housing was cracked/broken around several of the bolts. I was lucky enough to catch the problem before any internal damage occured, but it was still very expensive to fix. I now check the paint markings on the axle housing bolts prior to every backhoe use and I do not leave the backhoe on the tractor when doing loader work. I also purchased and installed the subframe reinforcement kit, but I doubt that will help the axle housing problem. Any other ideas?






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 03-18-2007, 08:11 Post: 140499
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tjogle; I'm curoisus as to what the subframe kit consists of? I have a #48 hoe that I bought when I had the 4300 then had it transfered to my current 4310 probaly 5 years ago. I have heard of some rear rim problems with the tractors with hoes, but never heard of rear axle problems. After hearing of the rim problems I do drive pretty carefully to and from the jobsite. While using the hoe very little strain is on the rear axles if the stabilizers ar used correctly. If I understand your post correctly the bolts on the front side of the housings, (toward the front of the tractor) are breaking first. Bolt breakage of that pattern would be consistent with having the tractor in reverse pushing something backward till the bolts gave out, heavy pushing forward would cause the bolts on the rear side towarsd the PTO shaft to break first. What were you doping when the bolt breakeage occored? My thought is that the two most stressfull times on the rear axles would be driving to the worksite over a rough road or field conditions or pushing the hole shut with the loader bucket while the hoe is on the tractor. I've always pushed the holes shut with the hoe on, but maybe I should'nt be. Best of luck. Frank.






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 03-18-2007, 11:00 Post: 140502
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The subframe reinforcement is a large plate of steel that runs from the rear end up to the front of the tractor. It mounts to the four engine mount bolts just behind the front axle and to the bolts on the bottom of the rear end where the draw bar bracket is mounted. The kit is nice because it protects the entire underside of the tractor. The kit number is LVB24795 Heavy Duty Subframe Kit for 4300-4400 and 4310-4410 with 47,48,447, or 448 backhoes. I paid around $400 for the kit. The instructions for the kit state that this kit is required for the 48 and 448 backhoes in all applications and for the 47 and 447 backhoes in rental and commercial applications. From what I understand, this kit is intended for heavy use to prevent the tractor from breaking in two at the center housing, but my problem is with the axle housings and the backhoe mount. I have studied the pattern of the cracks and breakage on the axle housings, but I still can not understand how it happens or what the exact cause is. I always use the stabilizers fully extended, so maybe the weight of the loaded tires suspended on the stabilizers is causing part of the problem. It is obvious that the two front bolts come loose, the axle housing cracks/breaks, and then the two front bolts break. The bolts in question are the bolts for the backhoe mounting plates that go through the axle housing. There is never any damage around any of the other axle housing bolts ...just the bolts used to secure the backhoe mount. If you have this same setup, I suggest crawling under the tractor and looking at those bolts (make sure they are tight, and put paint markings on them so that you can easily check them often).






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 03-18-2007, 12:48 Post: 140505
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tjogle; Thanks for the information, I'll check those bolts after bit, and I will call the dealer about getting a kit for mine. Guess I've just been lucky so far. Frank.






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 03-20-2007, 08:06 Post: 140558
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tjogle; Thanks again for the heads up on the frame reinforcment kit. I called the dealer Monday morning and discussed it with the head of then Small tractor and mower shop. he had'nt heard of it but did some research and thought it would be a good idea. He ordered a kit for me and will install it next week. I do have quite a bit of hoe work for this spring, so by the time it is done the ground should be fit for digging. the farm we own has quite a lot of rocks that have to be dug out every spring, I do it as a curtosey to the tennant who does a fine job for us far as caring for the soil and the waterways, etc. I'm still searching for the male rock to get a handle on maybe a birth control program and get his rock breeding program stoped. Frank.






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 03-20-2007, 08:13 Post: 140559
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Frank- You are welcome. I am curious. Did you check for loose bolts and the axle housing for cracks? Any problems? How long have you had the backhoe on the tractor? Do you have the tires loaded? I think I might need to unload my tires. Terry






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 03-20-2007, 09:19 Post: 140562
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tjogle; No I did'nt get uder to check the bolts. I'm temporaly, (I hope) handicaped since a fall resulting in a broken pelvis, Doc. says at least another week with the walker before any serious avtivity, they are going to check them at the dealership. My five year extended warranty runs out in June or July, so he said he would give it a real good look see. I don't remember exactly when I got the tractor, but it would have to be five years or more depending when I bought the extended warranty. No I don't have the tires loaded but do have the regular Deere cast iron wheel weigthts. I'm not sure what they weigh, probably 60 or seventy pounds each. I'd have to bring up a chart to see how many gallons your tires would hold, but I'm guessing not more than 30-35, so that could amount to close to 300 lbs. per tire. That could be a factor being suspended during hoe operation if a sudden jerk occured. I'd find the Deere thec. line and give them a call, they may have an answer on that. Best of luck. Frank.






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