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 01-17-2000, 00:00 Post: 12030
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 JD4000 tire scuffing update...

Got verification from a JD dealer that the new 4000 series front axles are in production. I don't know all the models affected, but we were talking specifically about 4300 and 4400. I don't know when production started but JD DTAC (Dealer Technical Assistance Center) is sending him info about which serial numbers forward have the new axle. To any JD dealers or reps that might read this: is it possible to obtain and post these serial numbers? Anybody hear any more about replacement axles for affected machines? (I started a new thread on this topic because I was afraid of crashing my pc or the telephone network with the length of the previous one.)






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 01-21-2000, 00:00 Post: 12140
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A JD dealer told me this morning that according to his JD sources the new axle design to fix the tire scuffing problem went into production on the 42/43/4400 on January 15. He also said a new axle design had previously (when?) been implemented on the 4500-4600 to address a different issue. He verified that JD will replace the front axles on 42/43/4400's that exhibit severe tire scuffing if the owner raises the issue with their dealer (squeeky wheel basis).






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 01-21-2000, 00:00 Post: 12146
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When some one has a way to tell the new axle from the old one please post it.I just got a 4400 am not sure if it has the new axle or not,it has the new Hyd scv lock and a new handle for the scv(as to have more leg room to reach the reverse pedal)Maybe the ser. number would tell, maybe not.I'm happy with the tractor so far, it sure does turn sharp! It has good power I have a 6' blower on the back and it sure does work well, this summer I'm going to mount it on the front and run it with the mid PTO, it should'nt be to hard to slow the PTO from2100 to540 any way I had a 955 and this is realy a step up.I would have gotten a 45 or 4600 but I also mow my yard with this tractor and that would be to much .the fwd and rev pedals were greased but still a little sticky but more grease did the trick. the front tires are a little narrow for a turf tractor but you cant mount wider tires in the narrow pos. cause the tire rubs the steering cyl. but I think that I will try wider tires in the wide pos. the narrow pos. is not of much use to me. hope this anwsers some questions for some one. excuse my spelling in a hurry.






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 01-21-2000, 00:00 Post: 12148
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Ross, do your 4400 front tires scuff badly? I test drove 2 different 4400 HST's last weekend at two different dealers. The first one scuffed unacceptably in 2wd or 4wd, forward or reverse, fairly shallow turns. I also think it had been on the lot for awhile. The second unit I drove had just arrived the previous week and hardly scuffed at all even in sharp turns in 4wd. The surface was packed snow on asphalt so I was able to see any slippage that occurred. This second unit was certainly acceptable, met my expectations, and comparable to other 4wd tractor's behavior (with possible exception of NH super steer - never tried that one on packed snow). I'd be interested to see posts from other 42-43-4400 recent buyers to see if the situation is improving or not.






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 01-22-2000, 00:00 Post: 12162
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I tried the turning on crusty packed snow,witch showed the tire tracks in full depth and there seemed to be no noticeable tire scuffing. I know it wasn't built before 12 11 becouse there is tags on the wiring dated after that.I'd like to see the four major brands compared in turning radius, I'm sure this one turns sharper than my 955 did.






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 01-23-2000, 00:00 Post: 12178
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Ross, sounds like you don't have scuffing problems. The 4400 I drove that scuffed would push that outside tire over an inch sideways to the tread even in 2wd. I don't exactly know how the brands would rank in turning radius, but I'd guess that the NH super steer boomers would dominate in the 25-33 hp category.






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 01-30-2000, 00:00 Post: 12354
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I have a 4200 that when I am using it to finish mow it makes a 3-4" scuffing mark when I turn fairly sharp. Is this the problem you are talking about? Should I contact my dealer about getting a new front axle? Also, what is the difference in the axles, in other words what did they do to correct the problem.






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 01-30-2000, 00:00 Post: 12358
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Lee, sounds like you might have a scuffing problem. If you search on this board using the keyword "scuff" or read through the old John Deere posts, you will get a better idea of what others have experienced and if this is what you are seeing. I personally do not know the difference in the "new" axles, although it was posted either here or on tractorbynet that it was a steering geometry change. The difficult thing to assess is whether or not the scuffing you are seeing is unreasonable to expect from a relatively heavy 4 wheel drive tractor with a short wheelbase that has a very tight turning radius (JD 4200 description). What kind of tires do you have? How fast were you traveling? How tight were you turning? What were the ground conditions? How heavy is your tractor? etc., etc. Some of these are subjective questions that will lead to different expectations of how much scuffing is "normal" depending on your past experiences. I've test-driven 2 different 4400's on the same day where one scuffed unacceptably and the other I thought was acceptable. I'm sorry if I haven't answered your question directly, but you are the consumer who has to determine what is acceptable for your situation.






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 01-30-2000, 00:00 Post: 12359
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I have turf tires, as far as how fast I am moving I really could not tell you. All I can say is that I was in "B" range and at "mowing speed." I have pretty much come to the realization that I can only turn the tractor half as sharp as it is capable of when mowing (Which stinks because one of the reasons I bought the mower was for its sharp turning radius!) I am thinking that whether I truely have a "scuffing" problem or not I am going to try and get the new front axle installed. I will try and call my dealer tommorrow and see what they have to say!






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 02-12-2000, 00:00 Post: 12722
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Does anyone know if this problem also affects the 4100 model? Also is it aproblem in 2wd or just 4wd?






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