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 10-04-2005, 16:50 Post: 117361
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I checked my battery compartment last night and inspite of my best efforts of soaking EVERYTHING in heavy baking soda solution, modifying the battery caps with the one piece cap and vent tube, and coating EVERYTHING with a GENEROUS coating of corrosion preservative spray after carefully cleaning and repainting everything in the battery compartment that needed it; my transmission oil cooler radiator and battery hold down hardware, as well as positive battery cable terminal were HEAVILY corroded; especially the trans. oil cooler radiator. What a poor design! And man was I PO'd!!!! I decided I was going to find a sealed AGM type battery that fit or make one fit! I had a VERY informative talk with Larry at Batterystuff dot com. and below is the battery that he located for me and is shipping me for $139 including shipping. I will follow up with a post as to how this battery fits as well as its performance. With 600 cold cranking amps; it should be more than adequate to start my 4410 and FINALLY do away with the corrosion caused by the inevitable release of hydrogen sulfide into the battery compartment and radiator area.






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 10-04-2005, 18:43 Post: 117373
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Wow. I would have thought for sure that the vent cap with tube would fix that. I'll have to check out my 4310 to see if it's doing the same thing.






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 10-04-2005, 19:05 Post: 117375
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You would be VERY wise to do so. I am surprised that my trans. oil cooler radiator is not leaking oil. The corrosion was pretty bad. I will eventually have to replace it because of the corrosion as once the acid starts eating it; the corrosion and deterioration is nearly impossible to stop. My hopes are that the heavy baking soda solution I applied will neutralize that acid corrosion. I think what made the corrosion so much worse was the very humid summer air. It does not take much hydrogen sulfide to cause a problem if water vapor is available.






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 10-04-2005, 19:14 Post: 117376
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I'm surprised you even took that risk of letting a standard battery stay put
I had a terminal that was corroding and the hold down bars, that was more than enough for me to get an Optima (51 series) -

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 10-04-2005, 19:43 Post: 117378
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I did the same treatment to my 4300 but still have the junk battery in. I had searched but found nothing that would fit yet although 1 company assured me they had a sealed one coming in that size. My Amish neighbor is a sort of battery store for the Amish and he gets me any normal batteries for about half price. He just gave me a deep cycle that matched the 4300 battery dimensions exactly, just does not have the same mount lugs or terminals. I do not know yet if it will crank enough but free and sealed are both nice words. If it does not work I will see about the one you found.






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 10-04-2005, 21:01 Post: 117384
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Joe, I have wanted to change to a sealed battery since day one. The 421,4310, and 4410 take a BCI Group 22NF battery which has the terminal polarity reversed and a funky size battery. The Optima 51R was just the right size but does not come with the battery hold down lugs on the bottom battery wall sides. Makes for a difficult modification to make a battery hold down work in that space. If the picture and specs I have interpreted correctly; this battery will hopefully fit just right and have an extra 100 cold cranking amps over the OEM battery as well as being sealed.






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 10-05-2005, 08:58 Post: 117410
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The 22NF is an odd size as the plates are smaller than the standard 6". The battery you found may be the only sealed unit sold. The price reflects the rarity. I checked the Deka guide as they make a large selection of AGM and gell batteries.
One option would be to go to a low gassing Ca based battery. The discription is in the Deka guide.
If it is any consilation the JD 750 and JD 955 have the same problem. Placing the battery over the front axel and next to the hot radiator is not a good idea for a battery.






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 10-05-2005, 18:59 Post: 117441
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I figured there was a reason why you couldnt do it -

I'm glad you are now able to do so, and the damage is repairable...what a nightmare waiting to happen

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 10-08-2005, 07:47 Post: 117548
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 Possible Solution To The 4000 Ten Series Battery Corrosion Problem

I wonder why this is considered only a JD problem (or is it?) when MANY tractors even older ones have a similar setup. Is there some difference?

For example at work we have two early 90's Ford (1720+1920) and each have well over 5000 hours and regular old vented batteries with no special precautions and they sit right in front of radiator...no problems.






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 10-08-2005, 09:30 Post: 117550
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My speculation would be that in the 4000 Ten series tractors; the battery is mounted directly up against and in contact with the transmission oil cooler radiator. The engine radiator is directly behind the oil cooler. The radiator fan draw a large volume of air through this area and the hydrogen sulfide gets draw directly into the oil cooler while still in a vapor state and condenses on the oil cooler surface. If the battery was located just a bit further away from the radiator area or down below is out of the air stream being drawn into the radiator; I think the problem would be greatly lessened if not eliminated. Any way you cut it; a very poorly thought out design on John Deere's part in my opinion. I think they could have at least applied a technical service bulletin that encased the battery in a vapor proof box or better yet, installed sealed batteries and replaced any damaged oil coolers or battery compartment components for customers with this issue.






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