Widening Wheel stance on JD 4310 hst 4x4: John Deere Review  -- John Deere Tractors Discussion Forum and Review Widening Wheel stance on JD 4310 hst 4x4: John Deere Review -- John Deere Tractors Discussion Forum

  parts   |   manuals   |   discussion   |   photos   |   podcast   |   reviews   |   specs   |   dealers   |   classifieds   |   contact   |   faq   |   myProfile   |   home          Login Now | Sign Up


FAQ:   What is a tractor?

Forum Index
New As Posted | Active Subjects



www.emerichsales.com - New & Used Equipment
          View Tractors For Sale!


www.partsbynet.com - Lawn and Garden Equipment Parts


Bernardsville Landscape Lighting
Click to Post a New Message!

Discussion Boards > Active Subjects > Messages as Posted > John Deere Review Forum

Page [ 1 ] |
Reply | Pop Up Window Reply | Add PhotoAdd Photo
 12-27-2004, 20:23 Post: 103051
bigbru



Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Wi
TractorPoint Premium Member -- 5 Tractors = Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 23
 Widening Wheel stance on JD 4310 hst 4x4

Can you with the standard wheels, either r1 or r4 widen the width of the tractor both front and rear? If so how and how many inches max?






Reply to PostReply | Quote Post Reply to PostQuote Reply | Add PhotoAdd Photo




Bookmarks: Digg It | Del.icio.us | Stumble This

 12-27-2004, 20:45 Post: 103053
lucerne

TP Contributor

View my Photos

View my Photos  Pics
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Lucerne Maine
TractorPoint Premium Member -- 5 Tractors = Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 192

2
Filter by User
 Widening Wheel stance on JD 4310 hst 4x4

On some tractors the rear wheels are two piece, center and rim, where the center bolts to the rim there sometimes is a zig zag square block piece of steel welded on the rim with the hole through it. See if you are mounted to the inside or out side of this bracket. If you are on the outside, move the center plate to the inside of the bracket. For the front wheels on some tractors you can take the left front, flip it and put it on the right front and the other on the other side. By turning the rims backwards they extend out further. I know this worked on my Kubota,don't know about JD but I think they are the same. If you are using a bucket,boxblade or other tools you might not want your tires wider then the tool.






Reply to PostReply | Quote Post Reply to PostQuote Reply | Add PhotoAdd Photo




Bookmarks: Digg It | Del.icio.us | Stumble This

 12-28-2004, 12:45 Post: 103077
dfkrug



View my Photos

View my Photos  Pics
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: NorCal
TractorPoint Premium Member -- 5 Tractors = Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 171

2
Filter by User
 Widening Wheel stance on JD 4310 hst 4x4

My JDs have all had one piece wheels that are reversible, front and rear for 2 different front and rear spacings. My L-series Kubotas have all had 2-piece rear wheels for 4 different rear spacings, but one piece front wheels for potentially 2 different front spacings. The owner's manual says don't reverse the fronts, however. Doesn't say why.






Reply to PostReply | Quote Post Reply to PostQuote Reply | Add PhotoAdd Photo




Bookmarks: Digg It | Del.icio.us | Stumble This

 12-28-2004, 14:48 Post: 103080
earthwrks

TP Contributor

View my Photos

View my Photos  Pics
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Home Office in Flat Rock, Michigan
TractorPoint Premium Member -- 5 Tractors = Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 3853

2
Filter by User
 Widening Wheel stance on JD 4310 hst 4x4

If your front end is also driven i.e. 4x4, the offset really messes with the drivetrain geometry, not to mention wreaking havoc on the wheel bearings and knuckle bearings as the leverage is further out from design-position. The forces on the u-joints are also increased. Another thing that is affected is what is called the "Ackerman steering" theory of design which is the radius one front wheel follows through a turn (eg. the inside-turning wheel is more sharpley turned than the outside, however they both follow a common point which is the center of the turning radius. Also, in the four-wheel-drive offroad world this is referred to as "wheel jacking"--this is where in four-wheel-drive the more torque that is applied to the wheel the more the wheel wants to naturally straighten, but driver input wants to turn causing the u-joint to bind and send the wheel back under the vehicle. On a 2-wheel-drive the forces are there but not as noticable as there is no torque input to the wheel itself.






Reply to PostReply | Quote Post Reply to PostQuote Reply | Add PhotoAdd Photo




Bookmarks: Digg It | Del.icio.us | Stumble This

 12-28-2004, 15:04 Post: 103081
Chief



View my Photos

View my Photos  Pics
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Southwest MiddleTennessee
TractorPoint Premium Member -- 5 Tractors = Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 4278
 Widening Wheel stance on JD 4310 hst 4x4

I have the R-4's on my 4410 and reversing the rims is the only way to gain any added wheel width. Doing so gives you maybe an extra 1/2" of width. Not worth the effort in my opinion. Very poor design. I have also found that the R-4's are near worthless in the recent snow we had. Chains are the only traction answer. It sure would be nice to have an adjustable width wheel.






Reply to PostReply | Quote Post Reply to PostQuote Reply | Add PhotoAdd Photo




Bookmarks: Digg It | Del.icio.us | Stumble This

 12-28-2004, 18:47 Post: 103096
dfkrug



View my Photos

View my Photos  Pics
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: NorCal
TractorPoint Premium Member -- 5 Tractors = Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 171

2
Filter by User
 Widening Wheel stance on JD 4310 hst 4x4

Interesting that the 4310 gains only a few inches of width (track) with wheels at their widest setting. The R4 wheels must have different offset from the R1s that I have. My JD955 benefits by maybe 10-12" rear and 6-8" front. On hillsides around here, the widest track is always recommended.

The only reason I can figure Kubota does not recommend widening the front is because of the mounting face of the front wheel. The wider track does cause more stress on the wheel and steering mechanism, but there are no U-joints in any of the 4WD CUTs I have or have seen. And most have power steering.






Reply to PostReply | Quote Post Reply to PostQuote Reply | Add PhotoAdd Photo




Bookmarks: Digg It | Del.icio.us | Stumble This

 12-30-2004, 18:36 Post: 103181
DennoAce



Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: usa
TractorPoint Premium Member -- 5 Tractors = Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 105
 Widening Wheel stance on JD 4310 hst 4x4

sorry to argue but I'm sure much more than a 1/2 inch would be gained by reversing the wheels 1/2 inch is not much, and also don't see how this is a "poor design"....if the engineers don't WANT the track to be too wide or narrow for various reasons, I would say it is very WELL designed so that if some joker desided to reverse the wheels (either way), it would still be where they consider safe.






Reply to PostReply | Quote Post Reply to PostQuote Reply | Add PhotoAdd Photo




Bookmarks: Digg It | Del.icio.us | Stumble This

 12-30-2004, 19:04 Post: 103182
earthwrks

TP Contributor

View my Photos

View my Photos  Pics
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Home Office in Flat Rock, Michigan
TractorPoint Premium Member -- 5 Tractors = Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 3853

2
Filter by User
 Widening Wheel stance on JD 4310 hst 4x4

DennoAce: I'm with you. In the engineering world "Form follows function." or in the real world: It's done that way for a reason. :D






Reply to PostReply | Quote Post Reply to PostQuote Reply | Add PhotoAdd Photo




Bookmarks: Digg It | Del.icio.us | Stumble This

 12-30-2004, 20:13 Post: 103185
lucerne

TP Contributor

View my Photos

View my Photos  Pics
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Lucerne Maine
TractorPoint Premium Member -- 5 Tractors = Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 192

2
Filter by User
 Widening Wheel stance on JD 4310 hst 4x4

Necesity is the mother of invention. Without it we would be chating on oxen point.






Reply to PostReply | Quote Post Reply to PostQuote Reply | Add PhotoAdd Photo




Bookmarks: Digg It | Del.icio.us | Stumble This

 12-30-2004, 20:36 Post: 103187
ncrunch32



View my Photos

View my Photos  Pics
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Kingston, NY
TractorPoint Premium Member -- 5 Tractors = Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 762
 Widening Wheel stance on JD 4310 hst 4x4

Check out kwschumm pics 10 and 11. Ken got considerable extra width by changing wheels when he went from R4s to R1s.






Reply to PostReply | Quote Post Reply to PostQuote Reply | Add PhotoAdd Photo




Bookmarks: Digg It | Del.icio.us | Stumble This

Reply | Pop Up Window Reply | Add PhotoAdd Photo


Page [ 1 ] |

Discussion Boards > Active Subjects > Messages as Posted > John Deere Review Forum

Thread 103051 Filter by Poster:
bigbru 1 | Chief 1 | DennoAce 1 | dfkrug 2 | earthwrks 2 | lucerne 2 | ncrunch32 1 |




Most Viewed

+ John Deere 2210 Backhoe Review
+ John Deere vs Kubota Compact Tractors
+ John Deere 790 fuel shut-off solenoid failing???
+ John Deere low viscosity HY GARD
+ John Deere JD 4100 Wiring diagram
+ JD 790 or Kubota L3000DT
+ Should I buy a John Deere 4105???
+ John Deere 4300 turns over but won't start
+ John Deere 455 garden tractor
+ Oil Change for Diesel Tractor

Most Discussion

+ John Deere 4300 scuffing......
+ Possible Solution To The 4000
+ Dealer out to lunch
+ Just got my new JD 4410 - Prob
+ Hello Green, Goodbye Orange
+ Receiver hitch for iMatch
+ 4300 wheel bolt problems
+ 4000 Ten Series 50 hour break
+ Don't buy JD compact tractors.
+ Oil Change for Diesel Tractor

Newest Topics

+ Oil overflow from tube and Smoke
+ John Deere 4100 gear 3 point not workin
+ 2000 John Deer Gator 4 X2
+ Mini Excavator SY20C - Small Body with Big Power
+ John Deer 1070 starting problem
+ John Deere 990
+ Tractors R Us
+ john deere 4100 with 410 loader hydraulic problem
+ John Deere 2032R Buying advice
+ John Deere 2010 loss of hydraulics













Turbochargers for Tractors and Industrial Machines
Cab Glass for Tractors and Industrial Machines

Alternators for Tractors and Industrial Machines
Radiators for Tractors and Industrial Machines

Driveline Components for Tractors and Industrial Machines
Starter Motors for Tractors and Industrial Machines