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 02-25-2005, 22:55 Post: 106821
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Anyone ever feel the need to move but do not know if it is the right time or the right thing to do for the family?
You all know my situation with CNH (locked out/strike)
I was planning to move to my location of my 160 acres and second home. That place is 50 miles from Eau Claire Wi. (One of the closest decent sized towns) Was planning to move as soon as my youngest gets out of high school (4 yrs) My oldest is leaving for UW Eau Claire college this fall. My next youngest will be going to the same college in 2 1/2 years. I am in a huge delema. My sister-in-law (wifes sister) lives 500 yrds from me down our dead end road out in thew county right now. She is 43/married and having her first kid's in Aug. this year. (TWINS)! We owe here alot for help, thru out the years which she has been like a second mother to our kids. Here is the problem. My wife wanted to move 4 years ago. Its a big move up to the stick country from where we live now. I did not think it was the right time, I wanted to make some more decent money before we down sized and moved (PS. My wife is a UW Eau Claire allumni) I just recieved notice that one of the best places in Eau Claire for me to work in my tool and die trade is hiring. 3 die makers. $22-28 an hour. SHitty hours but less than 5 days a week so thats cool. Benifits up the ying yang, especially for that area it is a huge amount of money per hour. WIfe on a spur of the moment feeling told me to apply and lets move. IE: we would be right by my son at college, same in 2 yrs for when my daughter goes to same place) We will be less than an hour from my hunting/farm and love of my life (my land.) I told my wife, lets just buy a brand new house near that town and forget building on to out house in Ladysmith for now which is (50 miles away). She was floored and thought that was a good idea. Youngest daughter is throwing a fit although she will be attending a new school next year either way (going to a new high school from middle school) My wife kinda wants to be here for her sister? Ahhhhh! If I apply, I feel I will get the job. They have been advetising since Jan 11 and only filled 1 position!!!!Small town and probably not many really qualified tool an die makers. This is huge! If I get the job I will have to move NOW. Wife and kids could stay back till end of school and wife could sell this house while I buy the new one (of couse we both will be involved with both but sepperately we will be handling most everthing ourselves). This would put a heck of alot of stress on us for the next 5 months. (More for her than me) Heck I still have not sold my dads house or paid all his bills! Although I am not rich, money is not a problem, both my houses are paid off (heck my dad owes 58K on his place and he was 70) HINT: dont get divorced twice!) Laughing out loud
My wife is a RN so her employment is no problem (spoiled rotten) Laughing out loud Moving now if I get this job is far and away the best finacially and maybe even for the whole family's stress level since this town is sweet! Small but not too small and far enough away from the hustle and bustle that I am happy plus I can hunt and farm my land with no problem only being 50 miles away (right now I am 312) away. Taking on a new job and trying to move the family afterwards plus the kids high school graduation plus the in laws twins WOW! Any suggestion? A job like this in my limited profesion/trade may not come along for a long time. This is an state of the art facility and brand new although they have 3 companys in the states here they are a wonderfull place to work for I hear. I know this was long but had to fill in all the details. I am really looking for some sound advice! I must get my resume in on Monday if I am going to do this.
I dont play game or burn bridges so I dont want to jack around this company and wiste their time interviewing me if I am not sure what I am going to do. If I apply I do feel I will get hired for my background is solid! When I do a job it is not half assed and I devote my self to the company almost as much as I do my family.
Working 3 12 hours shifts or 4 10 hour days with overtime on the day after the usual shift will be tough since it is 6pm till 6am hours (I never done that before always day shift) I do feel I can do what I have to though to survive. MAN This is tough! It always seems to happen that when ever anything comes up like this it is always in a rush.

What do I do? Slow down and pass and see whats going to happen here? Or just say what the heck and do it?
Hopeing I get some sound advice here?
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 02-26-2005, 11:30 Post: 106852
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Change is often hard for people so they struggle not to change. I think this is a great opportunity and while it may not have come at the very best time, it may be close. Sometimes life just throws something at you just when you need it/can handle it. I say apply for the job and let er rip. If you get the job, it was meant to be, if not you are still comfortable. Not much is worse than having to take something because there is nothing else. For this job, you can be in the drivers seat. Just decide how much you want it. If you would be fine without getting it, make it more of you interviewing the company not the com-pany interviewing you. If there is no union involved, negotiate as hard as you can for best hours, salary, benefits. It is not messing with them to tell them what you want and see if they meet it. They need you not you need them. This is commonplace for white collar jobs but that is not to say it isn't done for other non union jobs. If they counter with less, you can take it or leave it, without burning bridges. Messing would be if they met your requests and you still say no.
If you really want the job, just tone it down a bit.






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 02-26-2005, 12:23 Post: 106855
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Arrow: Do it.

Like Denwood said if you don't get the job, nothing is lost. If you do, well, in the long run you'll be way ahead (You already know this). The sis-in-law will understand you are looking out for the best intrests of YOUR family. Your youngest will be mad, but she will get over it. (She may even like the Eau Claire area [Mall of America is closer Laughing out loud])

(Maybe you can put in a good word for me there, too. I'll be looking in another month or two. -- Kidding, Laughing out loud)






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 02-26-2005, 12:53 Post: 106856
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Nothing happens without risk.
Get the job and tell them you want the 28.00
to move there. Try it a while before you sell
everything.
How will the younger one like the schools?






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 02-26-2005, 18:07 Post: 106864
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brokenarrow, Sounds like a good move to me. Maybe you could kill two birds with one stone here. Let the youngest stay with her aunt, she could help with the two little one's on the way and stay with all her school friend's at the same time?

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 02-26-2005, 19:04 Post: 106866
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All of you had good ideas. The youngest one is the trouble spot. She by far is the most naturally intelegent and the other two are honors and just about straight "A"s
(of course what would you expect since my wife tied for top of her class but wound up with second. The youngest is the only one that thingks a 'B' is a good grade. No motivation no matter how hard we work with her. I personelly think she needs a change of location. After discussing this with the family some more today I have decided to put my resume on the computer (electronically) so I can send her up there early this week.
I really feel that this coming week will tell the tale at CNH of which way the company is leaning towards. They have met on and off for 2 1/2 weeks now (more off than on) They broke off talks on Thur. last week because of a death in one of the companys top negotiators family. Supposedly this Monday there is to be a top level meeting between union and comp. My president says he hopes they can continue to bargain Monday night (after the meeting).
I feel that this is the way it is going to go. The company is going to (before March 1) come to the union and tell them," We have bargained fairly now and can not come to an agreement. With this in mind we are now declairing that we are at IMPASE. So with this, you have (X amount of days) to except what we are offering with out union involement to deter from our offer or we will begin to replace you guys with perminant workers.
That is my gut feeling. If this comes true I will benifit from already starting to apply at the other place.
If not and the 2 sides come to an agreement and I have already applied I will be in a bad spot (becuase of family really wanting to stay for a few years longer) The ideal situation would be the lock continueing and I get hired at the new place. This would give me time to see if I like it there and if they like me also. Remember it does have some shitty hours 6pm till 6am and I never have worked crap hours like that in my life. (I am not that conceded to think that I may not work out for them)
I will spend tomarroo loading my resume (lord knows I will have to have my wife and spell check go over it since I can't spell for shit with out looking up every darn long word. Laughing out loud
Thanks alot guys, I needed that little push, like you all basically said, what do I have to lose. The only thing I was concerned with was if they like me and I go thru an interview and all of a sudden I go back to work here. If I decide to stay (for obvious reasons wife, inlaw child support if I don't) Laughing out loud and refuse the job offer I hope in 4 years if I re-apply I dont get black listed. That is my worst fear.
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 02-26-2005, 21:20 Post: 106874
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I'll tell you a story about my brother: He was at university, and had a small sink in his room at the foot of his bed. To motivate him to get up in the morning he used to set the alarm clock on the edge of the sink and fill the sink with water. In the morning the alarm used to go off and he would flick the alarm clock into the sink full of water with his foot, then the panic of the electronic alarm clock in the water going Beep be beep beep be beeuuuuu buuuuuuuuu would wake him up and he would have to rescue the clock to prevent it from becomming water logged and ultimately failing. In the end that's how he got up in the morning the sheer panic of rescuing the alarm clock. Broken the bottom line is that you need to mindlessly light the fuse, only then will you realize that the dynamite is on fire and you need to get out of your comfort zone and change a few thinge, moving sounds like one of them!!!






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 02-26-2005, 22:21 Post: 106880
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Tom,

We are ages and worlds apart but I sense from your posts of late and the lengthier they become, that "BrokennArrow" is just not just a name anymore it is becoming a personal fact!!
I'm undoubtedly in the last phase of my life at 63 and in my second phase I raised 2 kids all with moving 21 times wife,kids,kit and kabottle!! All survived except Wife!

I now am beyond the age of Commercial flight status but have a new profession on my own terms with a Kubota Dealer a very nice G/F and am now raising two teen boys, 4 Dogs 1 Cat, and own my own home!! life just keeps getting better all the time!!

The point is take the new Job, All we be freshly challenged and nothing ventured nothing gained!!!!!!!

Your a bright guy! Go for it!!

Dean






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 02-26-2005, 22:29 Post: 106884
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LMAO
ANN that is an awesome story
I agree whole heartedly with the comfort zone thing.
In short, every place I have worked has shut down in my life or moved! A tool and die job shop was open for 35 years. I had almost 10 in there full time when they moved and eventually shut down. the next place was open for 42 years. I had 8 months in there when they down sized and eventually shut down.
Next place was Tri-Clover Inc. pumps valves dairy and beverage industry. open in my town for around 87 years. I had almost 7 in there when they down sized and eventuall closed in my town. I was at a short interem job while on severance from the last place. When I got hired at JI Case Inc. I quit Dynamatic. Open for over 70 years in my town. They eventually shut down after my 3 months of working there about a year after I left.
Now I have worked at Case/ CNH for almost 8 years minus the strike time. Laughing out loud It dont look good!
My numbers should add up to 22 years (If not round off the company's and it will come to 22)
My reason for posting that is this. Becoming comfortable in a place is very easy to do. Not only do you not want to lose accrued vacation but if it is a defined retirement plan it makes it harder to leave. Those reasons along with maybe thinking you have become lost in advancement or needed skills. Couple that with just the fear of a new job and you have a recipe for a stagnant wage (in some cases) and a reason for not looking to better your situation. What I have found (and maybe I am wrong or have just been lucky) is that every time I left a company (and never by choice mind you Laughing out loud) I have increased my yearly wage! Every time! I know what your talking about and am not affraid to move jobs any more because I was lucky enough to experiance that. The knowlege you gain at different places of employment all add up. Even though it may not be used directly at a new place it in most cases is helpful This time how ever may be different (and maybe not) for me. This place does "DIE" work and I have not built a die in over 12 years.
Many changes in how they do this has come since then MANY!!! Different technology and process to be honest worries me a bit. Although I have been in R&D and a TOOL room for the last 12 years it still is not die building and repaire. This coupled with the new place is a state of the art facility. I have not worked in a place like this in "well maybe ever!"! Laughing out loud Although I have experiance and age on my side those young pups may have advanced so far that I may not fit in. Then again many things are the same and just need a tweeking to figure out how things are done in a new place (I keep telling myself that anyways) In conclusion though I do think you hit it on the head. Complacency and the "comfort zone" is hard to leave. What I do know though is that I am going to have to make a career change (or company change) in 5 years anyway Because I am moving by then one way or the other. This is my driving force that is telling me to do it now.
My greatest fear is that the move does not work for the family and I get blamed for this resulting in divorce or resentment and at the least maybe just bad feelings my wife may have for me if things dont work right. This is why I am tenative of making a rash spur of the moment decision so fast. Last year was a son of a gun for my family things just dont seem to be getting better yet. I dont want to compound things with out thinking it thru totally. Laughing out loud This situation will not allow me the time to be 100% sure. I know I am talking in a 360 degree rotation. Thats because my head is spinning so damm much every day I dont know if I am doing the right thing or not. Laughing out loud
Thanks for the great advice. I think I better apply and let the chips fall where they do.






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 02-26-2005, 22:33 Post: 106885
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Dean
My New Holland dealer has told me I would make an excellent salesman at the dealership! Laughing out loud
21 times!!!! WOW Your a better man than I and like I said in my last post the wife is one thing I am worried about. Sorry to hear that about you and yours!






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