Ford 800 - 3pt lift issue - need advise: Antique Tractor -- Ford  -- Antique Tractors Discussion Forum and Review Ford 800 - 3pt lift issue - need advise: Antique Tractor -- Ford -- Antique Tractors Discussion Forum

  parts   |   manuals   |   discussion   |   photos   |   podcast   |   reviews   |   specs   |   dealers   |   classifieds   |   contact   |   faq   |   myProfile   |   home          Login Now | Sign Up


FAQ:   What is a tractor?

Forum Index
New As Posted | Active Subjects



www.emerichsales.com - New & Used Equipment
          View Tractors For Sale!


www.partsbynet.com - Lawn and Garden Equipment Parts


Bernardsville Landscape Lighting
Click to Post a New Message!

Discussion Boards > Active Subjects > Messages as Posted > Antique Tractor -- Ford Forum

Page [ 1 ] | 2 | | Next >>
Reply | Pop Up Window Reply | Add PhotoAdd Photo
 10-02-2009, 09:48 Post: 166108
HuskyGTH200



Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Tug Hill NY
TractorPoint Premium Member -- 5 Tractors = Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 23

5
Filter by User
 Ford 800 - 3pt lift issue - need advise

Looking for some advise on an issue with Ford 800. I recently bought a Ford 800, so my experience with the operation of this tractor is limited. The issue that I am having is with the lifting of an implement on the 3pt. When having a 5' foot bush hog connected to the 3 pt arms, the lift height is maybe 3" to 4" max. When I detach the bush hog, the lift arms lift, what appears to be 18" to 24" high. I even checked the lift height, by having it lift my body weight by me standing on a lift arm. It seems to lift me full range, no problem. Even checked to see if the float lever made a difference in operation in any position. No difference. I am suspect of a pump issue, maybe going bad or is there an adjustment somewhere on the 800 that would increase the lift height? Any advise, opinions would greatly be appreciated.......
Thanks
Scottt






Reply to PostReply | Quote Post Reply to PostQuote Reply | Add PhotoAdd Photo




Bookmarks: Digg It | Del.icio.us | Technorati | Furl | Stumble This

 10-02-2009, 10:01 Post: 166109
kwschumm



View my Photos

View my Photos  Pics
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: NW Oregon
TractorPoint Premium Member -- 5 Tractors = Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 5764
 Ford 800 - 3pt lift issue - need advise

Do you hear the pressure relief valve hissing when it reaches it's limit of travel with the bush hog attached?






Reply to PostReply | Quote Post Reply to PostQuote Reply | Add PhotoAdd Photo




Bookmarks: Digg It | Del.icio.us | Technorati | Furl | Stumble This

 10-02-2009, 10:28 Post: 166110
hardwood

TP Contributor

Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: iowa
TractorPoint Premium Member -- 5 Tractors = Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 3582

2
Filter by User
 Ford 800 - 3pt lift issue - need advise

By having the arms fully lift without the bush hog would indicate that the pump does function and that it has enough flid to lift the arms. What it doesn't indicate is whether the pump is worn enough that it will only lift the weight of the arms.
Does the tractor have hydraulic outlets to hook an auxillary cylinder for lifting an impliment with? If so borrow a pressure guage form a dealer or make one yourslf with coupler and a guage that will read up to 2000 psi. You can get the coupler and a guage from most any farm store.
I don't know how much pressure your pump should generate, but an owners manual or a service manual will tell you. I wouldn't expect it to read right up to new specs. but 10% or so lower than new should lift the mower.






Reply to PostReply | Quote Post Reply to PostQuote Reply | Add PhotoAdd Photo




Bookmarks: Digg It | Del.icio.us | Technorati | Furl | Stumble This

 10-02-2009, 10:55 Post: 166111
HuskyGTH200



Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Tug Hill NY
TractorPoint Premium Member -- 5 Tractors = Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 23

5
Filter by User
 Ford 800 - 3pt lift issue - need advise

With the tractor running at the same time of checking the lift I did not notice (hear) the hissing from the pressure relief valve..............I am assuming I should hear it hissing?......displacing air....right?

And also, there are no external hydraulic connection for a pressure check......






Reply to PostReply | Quote Post Reply to PostQuote Reply | Add PhotoAdd Photo




Bookmarks: Digg It | Del.icio.us | Technorati | Furl | Stumble This

 10-02-2009, 11:32 Post: 166112
Murf

TP Contributor

View my Photos

View my Photos  Pics
Join Date: Dec 1999
Location: Toronto Area, Ontario, Canada
TractorPoint Premium Member -- 5 Tractors = Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 7012

2
Filter by User
 Ford 800 - 3pt lift issue - need advise

Does this tractor have automatic draft control?

The easy way to tell is if it does it will a) have a movable (pivoting) upper 3pth mounting boss, and b) it will have 2 levers that control the 3pth raise/lower function.

If the auto draft is engaged the weight of the bush hog on the upper link will tell the hitch to stop lifting. Without the upper point connected (such as when you stand on the arms) there is no action in the control (the upper mounting boss) to tell it to stop.

Best of luck.






Reply to PostReply | Quote Post Reply to PostQuote Reply | Add PhotoAdd Photo




Bookmarks: Digg It | Del.icio.us | Technorati | Furl | Stumble This

 10-02-2009, 11:47 Post: 166113
HuskyGTH200



Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Tug Hill NY
TractorPoint Premium Member -- 5 Tractors = Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 23

5
Filter by User
 Ford 800 - 3pt lift issue - need advise

Murf,
Well I beleive it does have the draft control lever.....which I may have called the float lever, earlier. I doesn't seem to matter which position the lever is in the lift is the same.....My understanding the lever should be vertical........horizontal is more of a float, depth adjustment for plowing....






Reply to PostReply | Quote Post Reply to PostQuote Reply | Add PhotoAdd Photo




Bookmarks: Digg It | Del.icio.us | Technorati | Furl | Stumble This

 10-02-2009, 12:57 Post: 166114
earthwrks

TP Contributor

View my Photos

View my Photos  Pics
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Home Office in Flat Rock, Michigan
TractorPoint Premium Member -- 5 Tractors = Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 3853

3
Filter by User
 Ford 800 - 3pt lift issue - need advise

There is a h-u-g-e difference between standing on the lower arms and a 5 ft brushhog--my 5' weighs 475 lb.--it's called leverage.

If you weigh 200 lb. and apply that weight to the lower arms that's "X" amount of leverage---but if you stand 5' back on a lever connected to that lower arm it increases your weight 5 times or 1000 lb.

My feeling is the pump is weak, and or th lift piston seal is worn or nearly gone. I know on Fordson 9Ns there were issues with holes in the pistons where the ball pushes on it. My old 2N had a similar issue--turned out the pump was cracked in half and the piston seal was still the leather type which I changed to an O-ring.






Reply to PostReply | Quote Post Reply to PostQuote Reply | Add PhotoAdd Photo




Bookmarks: Digg It | Del.icio.us | Technorati | Furl | Stumble This

 10-02-2009, 13:06 Post: 166115
HuskyGTH200



Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Tug Hill NY
TractorPoint Premium Member -- 5 Tractors = Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 23

5
Filter by User
 Ford 800 - 3pt lift issue - need advise

Earthworks i agree.......I will take your 200lbs reference as a compliment. I am 250lbs......anyway......When it lifted me, I was checking to see what it would lift, hopefully not to indicate a completely shot pump. Would it need a new pump or can it be rebuilt...? how can i know for sure if its a pump or lift piston seal?
Thanks






Reply to PostReply | Quote Post Reply to PostQuote Reply | Add PhotoAdd Photo




Bookmarks: Digg It | Del.icio.us | Technorati | Furl | Stumble This

 10-02-2009, 13:21 Post: 166117
hardwood

TP Contributor

Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: iowa
TractorPoint Premium Member -- 5 Tractors = Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 3582

2
Filter by User
 Ford 800 - 3pt lift issue - need advise

Husky;
Only way to know for sure without taking the pump off would be to find a way to tap in to a pressure line coming from the pump with a pressure guage.
Does having the tractor warm, transmission and all make a difference over having everything overnight cold?
I'm not a Ford person, but surely on the internet you can find rebuilt or aftermarket pumps for less than Ford.






Reply to PostReply | Quote Post Reply to PostQuote Reply | Add PhotoAdd Photo




Bookmarks: Digg It | Del.icio.us | Technorati | Furl | Stumble This

 10-02-2009, 13:39 Post: 166118
HuskyGTH200



Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Tug Hill NY
TractorPoint Premium Member -- 5 Tractors = Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 23

5
Filter by User
 Ford 800 - 3pt lift issue - need advise

I would say that there is no difference in hot or cold operation, pretty consistent......won't lift more than a few inches.... I will check things out more this evening....keep ya posted...
thanks to all
Scott






Reply to PostReply | Quote Post Reply to PostQuote Reply | Add PhotoAdd Photo




Bookmarks: Digg It | Del.icio.us | Technorati | Furl | Stumble This

Reply | Pop Up Window Reply | Add PhotoAdd Photo


Page [ 1 ] | 2 | | Next >>

Discussion Boards > Active Subjects > Messages as Posted > Antique Tractor -- Ford Forum

Thread 166108 Filter by Poster:
earthwrks 3 | hardwood 2 | HuskyGTH200 5 | kwschumm 1 | Murf 2 |




Most Viewed

+ Ford 2000 3 cyl gas
+ Ford 800 - 3pt lift issue - need advise
+ Ford 2000 tractor value
+ Ford 3000
+ Ford NAA wiring diagram
+ 1962 Ford Jubilee Stuck Clutch
+ Ford 850 Power steering Roll Bar add on how to
+ Ford 801 Value
+ Electrical problem with ford model 1920
+ Ford NAA Wiring Diagram

Most Discussion

+ Auto Manufacturer parts availa
+ Ford sell as is or RandR
+ Ford 850 Power steering Roll
+ Ford 800 - 3pt lift issue - ne
+ Ford 2000 tractor value
+ CONDENSER EATING FORD 600 ??
+ Need 2110 Rear Rim: 12x28 8 Lo
+ Ford 2000 3 cyl gas
+ Ford 1000
+ Ford 681 Select-O-Speed Questi

Newest Topics

+ Ford 3600 Hydraulic Lift problem
+ help no spark my ford 3000 won t start
+ 601Ford Hydraulics
+ replacing water pump on my ford 1510
+ Ford 1700 Loader Control Adapter
+ Ford 3000 Power Steering Cap Needed
+ Ford 681 Tractor 3ph will not lift
+ Ford 3000 Power Steering rigid lines
+ Golden Jubilee pivot pin
+ Golden Jubilee pivot pin













Turbochargers for Tractors and Industrial Machines
Cab Glass for Tractors and Industrial Machines

Alternators for Tractors and Industrial Machines
Radiators for Tractors and Industrial Machines

Driveline Components for Tractors and Industrial Machines
Starter Motors for Tractors and Industrial Machines