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 02-23-2009, 13:59 Post: 160536
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I need to move a few thousand yards of dirt. Distance will be from about 100 feet to about 400 yards. Have considered buying an old dump truck or a dump trailer. Small old dump trucks are for sale all over the place now for 2 to $3,000. Dump trailers will cost 2 0r 3 times as much but less service issues I think. Will not be used on road, off road totally.
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 02-23-2009, 14:16 Post: 160538
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Ken, as I see it there's pro's and con's to both, here's my $0.02 worth.

A trailer requires little in the way of upkeep, can be used on-road and for other things (firewood, mulch, etc.) but is limited in capacity compared to a dump truck. If you are loading it with a smaller machine, a trailer is usually a lot lower to lift the dirt into. Normally a trailer is harder to haul off-road and less 'landscape friendly' than a dump truck.

A dump truck might be a repair monster, but will haul a LOT more per load. A dump truck will move easier and unload a lot faster than a trailer will. It might be a height challenge for a smaller loader or excavator though.

Have you considered a hybrid alternative such as an articulated dump wagon or drop-bottom dirt pan behind a bigger tractor?

We use this method a LOT, it can be as cheap or cheaper than a dump truck, and will allow you to utilize existing equipment such as a tractor instead of buying new stuff. It is also far more productive than a trailer is.

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 02-23-2009, 14:32 Post: 160540
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Your 2 cents is always welcomed. Not familar with the dump wagon and only little with drop bottom pan. Had thought on pan and felt not best option. Have piles of dirt that run from about 4 to 6 feet high that excavator will be sitting on to load so height should not be issue. But if I want to load the stumps and such then different story. In looking at the lay out it is almost a straight line and with dump truck to me looks like I can drive forward and load and then back up and dump and then drive forward to load. Where trailer will require circle to turn in and not as easy to back if need be.






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 02-23-2009, 14:47 Post: 160541
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If the dirt-carrier will ever be used ON-road, better look into the cost of licencing, insuring, inspecting, and maintaining and fueling a truck as opposed to a trailer. And a triple-axle trailer can carry more weight than a S-A truck.






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 02-23-2009, 15:44 Post: 160542
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But, with 3 axles how large of circle does it take to turn around in?






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 02-23-2009, 16:12 Post: 160543
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A triple-axle trailer can carry more weight than a S-A truck.



I'm not sure about that neighbour.

My little S/A dump at the farm has a 12k front axle, and a 23k rear axle for a total GVWR of 35k pounds. It has a curb weight of 12k pounds, so it has a 'street legal' capacity of ~23k pounds or 11.5 tons. Notice I said 'street legal', I've had 15 or 16 tons on it many times with no problem at all.

The heaviest tri-axle suspension I've seen on a trailer was 7k axles, for a GVWR of 21k pounds. A tri-axle dump trailer that size weighs 4k pounds, so that leaves a 'street legal' capacity of 17k pounds, or 8.5 tons.

Dump truck 11.5 tons, trailer 8.5 tons, or a little less than 75% of the capacity.

Ken, the usual 'farm use' dump wagon is a home-brewed hybrid. Usually it is made by taking a S/A dump truck body, mounting it on the back half of a 5 ton truck frame that has a 5th wheel hitch where the cab should have been were it a truck still, and it's pulled behind a farm tractor by means of a 'jeep', 'joe-dog' or 'converter' depending on which term you prefer. The dump hoist is powered by a PTO-driven pump, a gas engine on the tongue, or the tractor itself.

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 02-23-2009, 17:14 Post: 160547
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A trailer can hold as much as a truck if you agree that it would be better to overload a trailer by the same proportion. And you could swing a triple around almost in its own length.






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 02-23-2009, 18:09 Post: 160548
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Kenny, just get a 3- or 4-yard loader and use it to dig, haul and spread all in one cycle. You'll end up wearing out that lil' mini-ex.






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 02-24-2009, 08:46 Post: 160555
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EW, talked to a rental company here who has large commerical tire FEL. Bucket is about 2 yds if memory is correct. They said the piles would have to be dug and repiled for it. Would a skidsteer be different? With tracks?

Auerbach, never would have thought you could turn a 3 axle that tight.

Murf, had thought on getting old dup truck with dump working and doing as you said. But so far have not come across such.

I am considering building a small dump trailer. Have about half of what is needed in materials from a salvage tobacco harvestor. Do plan to run it off of tractor hyd.






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 02-24-2009, 12:40 Post: 160559
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Being you say "Thousands" of yards of dirt with distance no farther than you mention I'd have to agree with EW and rent a big loader. I've did it both ways, with my loader and trailer and with the loader only. I probably moved 5-600 yd. of fill last summer from a borrow pit to the building site roughly 5-600 ft. with the 4310 and the 430 loader with a 73 in. bucket. I wouldn't have a clue how many trips I made, but it gave me something to do for a big couple weeks. I did borrow a single axle flatbed dump traier with a hydraulic hoist pulled by one of my "H" Farmalls that I would load with probably two or three yards at the very most then go from the loader to the H, go dump it then back for another round. I had trouble backing the trailer into where I wanted dump so I had to move the dirt with the loader again, so I shucked that idea and returned the trailer. Frank.






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