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 11-07-1999, 00:00 Post: 9498
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 Diesel fuel in winter time gels

This is my first winter with a TC29 and I'm learning every day about diesel engines.I'm told that diesel fuel will gell at around 17 degrees F. I'm also told to mix number 1 diesel with the number 2 diesel (about 50/50)I have and this will take care of the problem. Is this good advice? I will be moving snow this winter and it may be below 17 F.Also, can I mix brands of hydraulic fluid. The tractor came with NH fluid of course but I have a 2 gallon supply of John Deere fluid that I use in my 4020. Will it work in the TC20?Any advise will be appreciated






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 11-07-1999, 00:00 Post: 9500
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Larry--if you purchase your winter diesel from a reputable truck stop or a filling station where large amounts of diesel fuel are sold in the winter, their diesel fuel should be winterized for your part of the country during the winter months. If this were not the case, there would be many tractor/trailer rigs out there stalled out with gelled fuel. Although the local Texaco and Conoco filling stations in the Kansas City area carry winterized diesel fuel during the winter months, the sales staff behind the counters rarely know when or how it was winterized. It is my belief that these companies order a winter blend of #1 and #2 diesel. Another solution is purchasing some Power Service (brand) Diesel Fuel Supplement that prevents gelling.






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 11-08-1999, 00:00 Post: 9509
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 Diesel fuel in winter time gels

I was told but I have not verified that it is a good practice. That in below zero (F) conditions 5% gas mixture is best. I have been told this by quite a few permafrost workers and do not have a clue as to what the trade offs are or if it is safe for compacts.mario






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 11-08-1999, 00:00 Post: 9517
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 Diesel fuel in winter time gels

As a landscaper who uses a fleet of compacts (mostly Orange if it matters) that work all winter at snow removal, I can honestly say the ONLY fuel related problem I have EVER had have been water in the fuel freezing up. A good quality fuel conditioner fixes that pronto. My machines regularly work at temps. of -30deg. (at that point Centigrade or Farenheit is same thing). A block heater and two magnetic type heaters (small one for oil pan, larger one for trans.) and a battery heater, and they even start at that temperature. Only real concern is operator freeze-up........ Best of luck.






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 11-08-1999, 00:00 Post: 9521
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 Diesel fuel in winter time gels

Rather than messing around with mixing fuels, just add a good conditioner that does at least these three things (1) reduce gel point; (2) disperses water; and (3) stabilizes the fuel. I use Stanadyne Performance Formula - you'll likely need to go to an injector shop or heavy equipment truck dealer to find it. other brands are sold in auto parts stores.






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 11-09-1999, 00:00 Post: 9566
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 Diesel fuel in winter time gels

The only problem with mixing #1 is that you are going to reduce the horse power derived from the fuel. As stated, there are additives that reduces the cloud point without reducing the energy rating. I use DEE-ZOL+, there are others that I am not familiar with.






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 12-16-1999, 00:00 Post: 11129
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Larry,the poster who recomended to purchase at a truck stop is correct, however mixing No.1 (also known as Kerosene without the addatives) with No. 2 is exactly how things are winterized. It is not generally that high of a concentration (50%) but the No. 1 is lower in parafin, which is what gels in the winter. You will see a slight drop in HP, but not enough to worry about. Water is indeed a big problem, so drain your filter regularly, and do use a quality addative. It can make all the difference in the world, as most add lubricity and lower the gel point. Go with what a local trucking firm uses, although ones mentioned here are good too. ONE THING FOR SURE, NEVER EVER MIX deisel and Gas. Mixture can be explosive, and is SPECIFICALLY mentioned in my New Holland book, as one of the things not to do. Just because someone has gotten away doing something for a long time, doesn't mean it will not explode in their face someday, litterally! Bill






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 12-17-1999, 00:00 Post: 11180
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Question: If my diesel fuel does happen to jel during a cold snap, will it "thaw" if the temp rises and still be okay to use? Or, once jelled, should it be drained from the tractor? Also, as a neophite diesel tractor owner, how often have most people found water to be a problem in diesel fuel? I buy strictly from a very busy truck stop and I keep the tractor tank full. Should this limit the problem?






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 12-17-1999, 00:00 Post: 11185
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Scott--you should be OK because you purchase diesel that is fresh and where over the road truckers purchase their diesel. However, it would be even safer to add a winter diesel fuel supplement that is a fuel conditioner to prevent it from gelling as well as to remove any water. Gelled fuel cannot be drained while it is too thick. According to the directions on the diesel fuel supplement that I use, it can be added to gelled fuel and it will reliquify the fuel, even in the fuel lines, but I would rather not take the chance or wait for that to happen.
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 12-17-1999, 00:00 Post: 11198
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Mike S. - Thanks for the info, Mike. I've seen the fuel additives at the local JD store but wondered if they're more precautionary or a good regular practice in winter. This will be my first winter with the tractor but since it's been such a mild season so far, I've hardly had to worry about it. I think I will pick up an additive and give it a try, especially since I'm more concerned about water in the fuel than the gel problem, per se. Thanks again. Scott






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