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 07-09-2006, 22:12 Post: 131923
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Setting up A 30 Gallon Drum for Diesel Storage:

I just bought a 30 galloon plastic drum and have some questions on setting it up.

1*What do I need to prevent air compressor water from entering the drum?
2*How do I drain any water that accumulates in the bottom of the drum?
3*Does the fuel filter go on the inlet or outlet side of a 12 volt pump?
4*How do I vent it?
5*What are the Pros and Cons of using liquid VS Air pumps?






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 07-10-2006, 07:56 Post: 131933
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I'll try to answer some of your questions. The numbers here relate to those of youre questions.

1) A water separator for the outlet line of your compressor, they are only a few dollars, and you should have one anyways to protect air tools, etc., from moisture.

2) You shouldn't get any, but for extra safety, don't have your pickup tube right at the bottom, raise it up an inch or so, and pickup a water absorbant cartridge for the tank. It is a small plastic mesh tube filled with a special chemical which absorbs water, but not fuel, they are available anywhere they sell snowmobile supplies, or online. You tie a string to it, and tie the other end to the inside of the cap. Periodically have a peek, if it has water in it the chemical changes colour from white (clean) to pink or red (dirty) to show you.

3) Filter should be on the outlet side, so as not to starve the pump. If you use a good quality filtering funnel there is no need of a further filter IMHO.

4) Either buy a vented cap, or istall a small pipe with a 180 bend in it. Just be sure if you are going to use air to pump fuel, that you have a way of closing the vent, and that you remember to open it afterwards.

5) Mechanical pumps are either manually operated, or electric, if you are fueling without assistance, a hand pump can be a PITA. If you do not have electricity nearby (12 volts or 120 volts) an electric pump is no good to you. Although not much concern with diesel, static sparks are a concern with electric pumps. Air requires at the very least a tank charged with air to operate. On the other hand, without air nobody can steal your fuel either.

The third option you have is to merely make a stand high enough that you can lay the tank down on the stand and have it gravity feed the tractors fuel tank. The one issue some people have with this is the potential for leakage or vandalism in an unprotected area, if fuel is allowed to leak, it will continue until the tank is empty.

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 07-10-2006, 14:32 Post: 131962
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I have seen air pressure used to push fuel from tank. If you are planning on doing that be sure the pressure is very well controlled. A busted tank would not be much fun. You would need a nozzle on the hose if you apply pressure to the tank as you can not stop the air in time to prevent fuel from running over. You would also want to be sure the hose used to pressurized the tank is not in the fuel or it would feed backwards when you need to let off pressure.I suspect you are talking about the pumps that have an air driven action. I have never seen one of those used on fuel.


I use a filter with clear plastic case on my pump. It is easy to tell if there is water in it. The filter cartiridge is suppose to capture a certain amount of water but it has a drain cock.

The gravity feed tank works well but how are you filling it? I suspect a 30 gallon tank means you are hauling it. So then how would you get it back up there? If you are using a manual pump it will have stop and go movement, this will put a strain on the threads. Even on my steel tank I hold the pump with one hand while pumping with the other. Enough flex and any material fails. Don't use the same port for the pump and filling as you will wear them out.

Don't forget fuel treatment for stored fuel.






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 07-10-2006, 15:23 Post: 131964
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Kenneth, some time back we had a rather long thread on what people use to fill their machines.

Some use pumps on tanks, some the trusty old climb up and pour from a 5 gallon can.

I described how we use both, we use a $5 air regulator on an air tank or compressor to pressurize a tank, be it 5 gallon or 500 gallon, with just enough air to push the diesel up into the machine.

I believe it is this process LBrown is asking about, but you also make some excellent points too.

Best of luck.






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 07-10-2006, 15:51 Post: 131967
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Murf,

There is one thing I learned the hard way regardless of what method you use to fill your equipment tank...put the cap where you will remember to replace it. Like the seat of the equipment. Found out I was not the only person that had that same issue.






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 07-12-2006, 16:33 Post: 132068
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lbrown,

Last night looking for sprayer tank and notice all the plastic tanks I was looking at had a big do not use for petroleum product storage. Made me wonder if some plastic tanks are approved for that?






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 07-12-2006, 17:18 Post: 132073
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Last night while looking for a sprayer tank I noticed all the plastic tanks I looked at had a big do not use for petroleum product storage label on them. It made me wonder if some plastic tanks are approved for that?
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It's because of the seals and gaskets used on the sprayers not the tank itself.
I had this issue with a 15 gallon sprayer I got at TS so I took it back and got my money back.
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 07-12-2006, 17:29 Post: 132074
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These was just the tank. No fittings.






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1*how are you filling it? I suspect a 30 gallon tank means you are hauling it.
2*So then how would you get it back up there?
3*You would need a nozzle on the hose if you apply pressure to the tank as you can not stop the air in time to prevent fuel from running over.
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1* Two distributors and a bulk plant will stop by and top off the 30 gallon drum whenever they are in my area.
2*In case I would have to haul it occasionally:
drum would be attached to a dolly and roll it right off my pickup onto a shelf the same height as the tailgate. This would also allow me to lift the drum off the truck with my bucket forks and place it on the shelf or on the floor or ground.
3*Was thinking about trying an air hose nozzle for that.






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 07-14-2006, 07:40 Post: 132137
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lbrown,

The dealers here require at least 100 gals to make the stop.

Your number 3, are you saying you will pump the diesel fuel through an air hose nozzle? If so I don't beleive you will be pleased at best it sure would be slow. It might cause the fuel to foam up a lot.

Your number 2, if you only file it when your tractor is low (that is when I think fuel) and then fill your tractor is will make it lighter if you must move it.






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