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 03-03-2005, 14:48 Post: 107199
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The Citgo station in our area now has a pump labeled “high sulfur diesel fuel” “off road and farm only”. It is $0.50 gallon cheaper, with no road tax added. I started using it in my tractor, but notice more smoke at startup and under heavy load. Is there any long term draw back to using this type fuel?






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 03-03-2005, 16:47 Post: 107207
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No, none that I'm aware of.
Thats all I have ever run is the high sulfer off road fuel.






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 03-03-2005, 17:41 Post: 107210
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I wish I could get the stuff where I live.






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 03-03-2005, 20:12 Post: 107215
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Do you mean you can't get it at a gas station? All you need to do is get a 55 gal drum and have it filled when you or a friend who uses oil heat gets the house tank filled. I have done that for years easily because dyed diesel is what heats my house. If you yourself use oil heat, you could get a bigger tank like a 275 gal. I suggested the 55 because you could more easily move it home from a friends house. We actually bought a full 275 for a friend and pumped it out in 55 gal drums to haul home.






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 03-03-2005, 22:36 Post: 107227
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My local fuel distributor tells me he gets two products: one is kerosene and is sold as such.

The other is diesel/home heating oil. It comes in one grade. They(the distributor)dye it red and call it off-road diesel. When It turns cold he adds stuff to it and calls it winter diesel. Sort of like #1.5 fuel.

Maybe it would help you to know that all of the fuel in northern Nevada comes from California refineries. So whatever tree-hugging horse crap goes on over there comes here by extension.

Thank God I can still buy and use diesel additives. They make my little diesels very happy.






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 03-04-2005, 10:54 Post: 107248
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We did some work years ago on a barren little piece of scrub land in the Carribean just off the coast of Venezuala, a place called Aruba.

Other than drunken tourists and a few disgruntled Dutch ex-pats the only other thing they have is a refinery. The gasoline they sell locally is so bad a fuel injected vehicle won't run on it, and even carbs have to be tweaked to make them work satisfactorily.

The diesel was even worse. When we complained a tech. came out from the refinery, a nice young guy from Houston, TX., and told us it was because the cetane rating was so low, and there was no 'regular' additives for lubricity, etc., like we're used to in North America.

He said he would send someone out to 'fix' our tank full of, alledgedly, diesel fuel. Later in the day a truck carrying a small barrel showed up and they started pumping the contents into the bulk fuel tank.

When asked what it was the answer was "special oil".

200 litres of 'special' oil later they stirred the daylights out of the tank and left.

Darn it all, it worked too, the machines ran like they were on regular diesel back home.

When the tech. came back a few days later I asked him what 'special' oil was, his answer was "vegetable oil". They had 'liberated' a whole barrel of it from the refinery's cafeteria inventory.

He claimed a 10% veg. oil / 90% diesel blend would boost the cetane about 10 points and the lubricity would more than double.

I'm told this basically what they now sell at the pump labelled as "Bio-Diesel" fuel.

Best of luck.






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 03-04-2005, 23:40 Post: 107293
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Murf, vegatable oil will gum up the works in a diesel if it is not properly treated with a mixture of lye and methyl alcohol. The resulting mixture and chemical processing results in soy methyl ester and glyserin. The glyserin sinks to the bottom of the tank and the rest is soy methyl ester (SME) aka biodiesel. I suspect that is what he put in the tank. Dependent upon the type of vegetable oil it was; the end product should be about 50 to 55 cetane. It is what we should be using in this country to put our farmers back to profitable work and keep our money spent at HOME.






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 03-05-2005, 06:39 Post: 107303
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It's my understanding home heating fuel is #1 fuel oil. Diesel for tractors is almost always #2 fuel oil. A blend of the two in winter months can help overcome some of the winter/diesel problems but this blend is really not too good to use during the summer. I would be very reluctant to use plain home heating fuel in my diesel tractor engines. The red color is added to fuel that signifies road tax has NOT been paid.
You chemists out there, is this correct???






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 03-05-2005, 09:28 Post: 107312
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It may vary depending on where you live. Here in SE PA, it is stamped right on my home heating oil bill "dyed #2 diesel." Also around here I have never seen #1 for sale. Maybe they blend some for the road pumps? I have never had any trouble with untreated #2 in winter, but we rarely go below single digits and if we do, it is only for hours, not days so far. This year I did treat my #2 just for safe measure, especially because of the newer tractor. More to improve quality than gel point. Probably not necessesary but cannot hurt. For the house, tank is inside so treating or #1 is irrelevant. After treatment it came to $1.50/ gal.






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 03-05-2005, 10:13 Post: 107313
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I have come to the conclusion that there a huge regional differences. It may also be dependent on which refinery the stuff comes from.






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