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 01-04-2009, 16:30 Post: 159060
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Check out this link (it may not say what you expect). To say that "scientific facts" are all over the map would be an understatement. Maybe the competing factions should just duel it out and leave the rest of us alone.






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 01-04-2009, 18:50 Post: 159064
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Must be we aren't the only country to give grant money to scientists who can't get a real job. I've often wondered if I could get a million dollar, or more grant from Uncle Sam to study the affect of giraffe droppings on midwest soil.






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 01-04-2009, 19:02 Post: 159065
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The way we fund science is a disgrace. Most money goes towards crisis science, therefore it pays scientists to promote every theory as a crisis. Then scientists are castigated if they have a theory that doesn't pan out, creating incentive to manipulate data to prove their theories correct. It seems there should be as much value placed in knowing what is false as there is in knowing what is true.






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 01-04-2009, 19:08 Post: 159066
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KW; I'm all for scientific research that deals with helping to solve disease, hunger, and other current problems. It just seems such a waste of time, talent, and money to pay these folks to speculate on what the world will be like in six million years.






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 01-04-2009, 19:12 Post: 159067
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KW; I'm all for scientific research that deals with helping to solve disease, hunger, and other current problems. It just seems such a waste of time, talent, and money to pay these folks to speculate on what the world will be like in six million years.



Can't argue with that Smile






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 01-05-2009, 09:04 Post: 159084
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It seems logical to me that pollution (including production of greenhouse gasses) is probably not good for our planet. In that case I ask myself what kind of planet do I want to give to my children.

For me its that simple. Will our children look at our deeds and say they tried their best or will they say they didn't care. Will they pay dearly for our economic incentive to do nothing?

I don't know but I suspect that pollution is generally not good and while I may not feel the effects now my children may suffer as a result.

If recent history is any guide our current actions are causing harm. Think about PCB's, and how many of you eat fish you catch in rivers, levels of asthma in kids and all manner of current known pollutants that were considered "safe" at some time in our past.






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 01-05-2009, 09:41 Post: 159087
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Given all the natural sources of greenhouse gases on planet earth one has to wonder if they should be classified as pollutants at all. A good volcanic eruption can pump out more greenhouse gases than the entire industrialized world. But for political reasons only greenhouse gases caused by humans and bovines are bad. Yeah, that makes sense.

I don't advocate for real pollutants though, it's the fake ones I have a problem with.






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 01-05-2009, 18:36 Post: 159104
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Being conscious of your habits and making corrections to preserve resources for our children is the moral and right thing to do. Recycle and do what you can to keep our environment clean.

On the other hand, the current "movement" is simply a way to control people through the use of scare tactics and junk science. We would be better off increasing the littering fines incrementally, to financially painful levels and enforcing them. And for those that claim they have no income to pay, we pick up the litter on weekends.







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 01-07-2009, 17:23 Post: 159178
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In the 20s and 30s there was a popular pseudo science movement called eugenics. It was essentially racial profiling and had quite a following with pseudo scientists and celebrities of the day. Then after the Third Reich adopted many of the same principles, it became very unpopular. Most people have to look up the word today.

Greenhouse gasses fall into the same pseudo science realm. Many of the predictions are based on modeling programs that cannot tell me if it is going to snow two weeks from now and even have a hard time predicting if an entire season is going to be severe or light from a weather standpoint. Extrapolating those models to make dire predictions of doom and gloom should be treated like yelling fire in a crowded theatre.






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 01-07-2009, 17:38 Post: 159179
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Many of the predictions are based on modeling programs that cannot tell me if it is going to snow two weeks from now and even have a hard time predicting if an entire season is going to be severe or light from a weather standpoint.



It's funny you say that. I commented to a friend of mine, who is generally very intelligent, that it's ridiculous to believe that scientists can predict what weather will be like in 100 years when they can't predict what it will be like a week from now.

His comment: "It's a lot easier to extrapolate long term trends than short term trends.".

My response: "That's only because there's no accountability 100 years from now, since all of today's scientists will be dead."






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