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 09-24-2001, 16:27 Post: 31985
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Looking for a draft control kit for a 7360SS. One they have listed in the parts book doesn't work (for a different tractor). I've grown tired of trying to get MTD to help me. It's manufactured by Mitsubishi and you would think they have one. It appears to be all set up for it. Even has the slot for the handle top side, but Cub claims there isn't one available. Thanks for the help!






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 09-24-2001, 19:06 Post: 31990
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How complicated is that kit? On most tractors it would be hard to add. Lots of complex parts are involved....they might be stumped. Draft control is helpful on my farm tractor, but not of any particular use on the 4wd compact.






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 09-25-2001, 09:36 Post: 32006
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My experience is that it helps with some 3ph implements that you use to move dirt. Even more useful for 4wd tractors since unloading the rear wheels is not as big an issue. As far as I can tell, the tractors got hydraulic down on the lift arms, so what they need is a sensor for the top link and a control linkage. Keep in mind they discuss the use of the draft control in the owners manual. Seems Cub and Mitsibushi would have the resources to get that worked out. The frustrating part is that I would not have bought the tractor, had I known the draft control was not available. It was in the parts book, but took a couple of weeks. I had it for a couple of weeks in the box. Found out it was wrong and by the time we determined that they didn't have one, giving them back the tractor was not an option.






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 09-25-2001, 12:14 Post: 32009
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 Draft Control 7360SS

Just because something is mentioned in a parts or owners manual does NOT mean that it is possible to retrofit it into an existing unit. I would think that draft control would certainly be one of those things. As Roger already mentioned, draft control is a sophisticated sytems of INTERNAL hydraulic controls and valves. The system is mentioned only because they do not want to have to produce a manual for every possible combination or system, they put everything in one book and you use the section that applies. Further, down-pressure is NOT required (or even very common) on units with draft control, the system merely adjusts the 3pth height settings, it does NOT force the implement down, in fact it is designed to do the opposite, lift the implement when the drag exceeds a pre-set limit. I would be VERY surprised if your (Mitsubishi) Cub would have down-pressure since it would be useless on such a light machine, in fact the only modern? manufacturers I have found producing ANYTHING with down-pressure is the (former) Russian units like Belarus, etc. Even if the parts were available, it is unlikely they would have machined the necessary areas of the castings to recieve them unless they were putting the internal parts into EVERY unit produced, that is not very likely due to the costs, it would be a HUGE job to dis-assemble the tractor to install them. Best of luck.






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 09-25-2001, 15:51 Post: 32012
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Perhaps my use of "down pressure" was not completely accurate to describe the action of the draft control, but it still remains that they had it listed in the parts manual and sent me one that wasn't for my tractor. I might also say that the Intruction Manual doesn't include anything else that isn't on the tractor. In addition (don't laugh) the salesman assured me that draft control was available. Finally, in my many phone calls to Cub, no one ever said the tractor didn't have the required internals. I'm looking for a kit to convert the upper link to sense the pressure changes and the linkage to operate the hydraulics in the transmission.






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 09-26-2001, 06:21 Post: 32024
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What I recall back in the hot-rod days of big engines in old cars was that mounts were the most difficult part of conversions. Even if draft control is listed as an option for a tractor and parts are listed in parts manuals there is no guarantee that things like the cases are the same between a tractor built with and without athe option. Similarly, North American automobiles are listed with various engines as options, but a different optional engine can't necessarily be put in easily once a car is built. Anyway, if you proceed with a conversion it would be good to know beforehand if it's a bolt-on job or a cutting and welding type job. I guess you're feeling that the tractor was miss-represented, or at least the representation wasn't understood. Your aggravation is understandable, but it would be good to find out the exact details of a conversion job before starting. The aggravation could get a lot worse.






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 09-26-2001, 08:46 Post: 32031
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Well, don't let anything I've said discourage you from a quest. Personally I regard a quest itself as being more important than the completion of the project. You need a starting place. I would suggest that you get the factory parts manual for your machine, as well as the technical service bulletins. The former is usually available for a hundred bucks or so, but the technical service bulletins may/will require that you will owe a favor to a Cub dealer for permission to copy his. All companies issue them to their dealers, but tradionally they are considered to be secret between the dealer and the factory.
Then you might want to enlist the services of someone used to interpreting parts books and their odd nomenclature to see which parts are required and which are built into the tractor's internals.
Good luck on your quest! Roger L.






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 09-26-2001, 11:26 Post: 32041
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Hurricane, Good luck getting any help from MTD. I bought a CUB 7232 back in 95 when they were first inroduced. I had problem after problem with the underdesign linkage on the 72" belly mower. It broke an average of twice a month. Every part was design with static loading in mind and not the dynamic loading that occurs when mowing etc. They also paid very little attention to items like stress concentration factors at thread ends, holes through shafts etc. I probably spent over a $1000 in replacement linkage components in 5 yrs. I contacted CUB (MTD) several times and all they would say is there is no history of a problem with these parts. I know for a fact there is. My first trip to the parts counter I met a guy with the exact same broken pivot assembly. Oh yeah, if they still use that junk battery throw it out before it rusts your tractor into a pile of nothing. My 2C worth on CUB Cadet.






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 09-27-2001, 16:51 Post: 32079
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Thanks for all the input. In looking back over all the messages, one question I did not answer is how complicated the kit is. The two that I received for the tractor that were wrong included an upper link mount that was on a pivot and included a spring so that any pressure change on the upper link made the pivot move. The kit also included the linkage from the upper link mount back to the control on the exterior of the transmission case and a lever to control the system that protruded through an existing slot next to the standard 3ph control lever. Obviously, the kits were wrong, but they did lead me to believe that draft control could be accomplished without internal modifications to the transmission. As I said before, the salesman, the parts manual and the instruction manual gave no indication that the kit would be any more complicated than that. The sad part is that if MTD would return a phone call or give me the number of someone who knew what they were talking about, this all could be resolved fairly easily. They have been mostly unhelpful. Those people that I have talked to, have not been in a position to know much. I get a lot of interest in the tractor because it is truly a workhorse, but I can't recommend the tractor or MTD, because of their unresponsiveness.






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