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 03-11-2009, 06:26 Post: 160967
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I am indeed a new guy not only to this site, but to tractors in general. I am hoping to get some advice!

My company developed a technology that can interchange between a wheel and a track (see video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naccztNpDZU ). Although we have it working for military robotics, we think we can do it for small tractors as well. (here's a video illustration: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WG4MjOzljw.

Question is, assuming we can pull this off, would anyone need it?

Could this increase your productivity?

If you all could choose what type of machine or application would be most fitting (at least to get started and prove proof of concept), what would it be?





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 03-11-2009, 06:27 Post: 160968
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 03-11-2009, 07:32 Post: 160969
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I see you didn't include info where you are in your avatar--safe to assume a developing country or the like other than NA or the UK? Or perhaps you are a college engineering undergrad?

When you say "my company"---I hope you don't mean "your" company's dollars invested. Even if you invetsed just a dollar. Smile

These systems have been around commercially for at least 30 years that I'm aware of. Mattracks is one big US company---they even make them for ATV's, cars and trucks. You can even get them for a trailer's wheels.

Challenger makes a dedicated, huge, farm machine.

Loegering Inc. makes them for skid steers as an aftermarket installation.

All skid steer makers foreign and domestic have tracked machines. Not to mention anything that used to have steel tracks now can be bought with rubber tracks like excavators and even dozers.






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 03-11-2009, 08:14 Post: 160971
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Thanks for your comments, I gather from them you did not see the video. Here it is, this time on our site:

http://www.galileomobility.com/?p=369

Here's the articulated illustration

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WG4MjOzljw

As you can see we are a very real company, located in Israel, and our technology is implemented in military robotics:

http://www.galileomobility.com/?p=362

Apologies for not making myself clear before. The big big difference between what we want to offer and mattracks and the like is that our platform can interchange between a wheel and track automatically or with a pull of a lever. That is you can have a machine that uses both wheels and tracks for any given job.

I'd love to hear your thoughts on possible applications, assuming we can make this as reliable and dependable as a normal track (and comparable price).






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 03-11-2009, 09:30 Post: 160975
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I've looked at similar track systems in the past, in every case the cost was so high that it was cheaper to buy a tracked machine for those jobs.

If Mattracks was more money than buying second tracked vehicle, I can only imagine how expensive a Swiss-Army knife setup like this would be.

I know the cost of the track kit for a SUV or pickup is $30,000 and up.

But thanks for the spam anyways.

Best of luck.






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 03-11-2009, 09:34 Post: 160976
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Guys, this is not a spam - we are not advertising or selling anything - we have nothing to sell. Why is there such a negative reaction? We simply want to figure out if there would be any need for such a a system before we go and develop it. Best way to do this is to ask. Would very much appreciate constructive comments.

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 03-11-2009, 13:07 Post: 160983
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David, sometimes here spam is hard to tell from a genuine inquiry. I really don't know how your "Pull a lever" system works that takes a machine from track to non track. Perhaps you do have an idea that will work, but I think you will have to do just like any other inventor and build a prototype then test it in the real world.






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 03-11-2009, 13:22 Post: 160985
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Dave in my part of the world there is very very little track tractors used. There are none I am aware of. Only for construction equipment. Here, I would think if there is any possible beneif to meet the cost that has to be very high for such would be on combines. Running tracks in the field and then tires on the roads. Often duals are used on combines here. The thought of a tractor sitting long enough at the end of a field to turn around for a system to make the changes shown I doubt would happen.






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 03-11-2009, 13:44 Post: 160989
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Guys, this is not a spam - we are not advertising or selling anything - we have nothing to sell.



Funny, your first post contained the following statement "My company developed a technology that can interchange between a wheel and a track (see video here:......"

That sure doesn't looks like "we are not advertising or selling anything".

Irregardless, the fact of the matter is, if you need more floatation than a set of wheels can give you;

a) there are plenty of cost-effective products already out there such as over wheel tracks and duals,
b) the markets like the rice or muck-land farmers would have created it long ago,
c) there is other dedicated track drive units out there that in most cases can be bought for about the cost of 'converting' another machine, why pay the same to modify a single machine when you could have TWO for less money.

I think as a new-comer to the world of tractors you may have missed one salient point; tractors are intended for working the earth, if the ground is so soft, presumably from being saturated with water, there is very little that you could do with it. It would be too wet to work, certainly too wet to plant or harvest, and would likely result in so much damage that even going out on the land would be unthinkable.

I wish you all the success you deserve, so I'm trying to tell you, outside of some possible military uses, I can't see how it could possibly succeed.

Best of luck.






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 03-11-2009, 17:40 Post: 160994
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Thank you for your feedback.

Murf, it is many times more important to know what not to do. Your comments are therefore helpful (albeit disappointing) and we appreciate you taking the time. As far as the selling and advertising thing (and this is my last comment on that), an absolute enlightenment in this forum from this technology would cause us to spend money rather than receive money (that's why we're saying we're not selling anything). If we would invest today what it takes to make this market ready it would take 2-3 years (at least), long long after all of you forgot about this. Before we spend that money we need to know if there is an actual need out there. Having a "cool" technology is not enough. That is why we came to you.

Anyway, some people told us walk behinds would love this (would help with fatigue), or harvesters out west. Any thoughts/experience on that?






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