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I assume you're not getting a hydro since the 4510 isn't available with one. Without knowing what you are intending on doing, it's hard to comment. If you have a 7' medium duty brush hog, then yes. If you have a 5' finish mower, then I doubt it. My personal preference would be to get the 4610 with the hydro. But that's my preference for my property and uses.
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4710 vs 4510
John Deere Tractors
Replies 6 Post by Pacesetter

There's a lot more than those three. From Korea the Century-Branson twins and Mahindra are a lot more user friendly than the trio you list. They are becoming very popular and will be much better known in an amazingly short amount of time. Much shorter than Kubota or Kioti when they came to these shores. There's also Kubota L3000 and New Holland TC30 in your price range. I'm surprised at your price on the 790 though, it's about the best I've seen. As Plots said, you can go Hydro in NH which is a big plus. The Korean trio I mentioned all have 12 speeds and a shuttle shift. As a group ALL the Korean tractors are overbuilt and dependable. A shuttle should be a minimum for any loader work. I would keep looking and do some more homework. A big fctor is how you intend to use the tractor and the size of your property. It might be that none of these are suitable for your needs. <br>
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JD 790 vs MF 1428 vs Kioti 3054
Operating and Attachments
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I looked at both and have to say although neither was perfect (none are even Kubota and JD IMHO) the Century was a much nicer machine. I tested the 4110 Mahindra and found that both range and shift levers hit my knees. Particularly bad in low range, second gear. The shift pattern was backwards which I guess you could get used to. My biggest objection was the loader. The arms are too high, the bucket is not quick detach and the loader removal is poorly thought out. That said, the independent PTO on the Mahindra is nicer as is the 4WD shift lever. My only complaint on the Century was the placement of the foot throttle. Too close to the brake pedal on one side and fender on the other for my size 11 boot. Since I can't make the payments to qualify for zero financing, it is moot for me. There was a rebate which made the price very attractive. A 2028 with C-30 and R4 tires was 13,500. New programs start next month, not sure what's in store, but all CUT's are selling hot right now, so deeper incentives are unlikely.
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Narrowed the search
Operating and Attachments
Replies 7 Post by Pacesetter

The two you've narrowed it down to are both excellent machines. I think I would be concerned on how easily the MMM detaches from the tractor. Some are fairly easy, some are a pain. It will get in the way when you go out back. The other option is a RFM (Rear Finish Mower). As long as your front two acres are flat and unobstructed, it worth consideration, not to mention much cheaper.
As far as i know, the only restriction on financing and rebates in you must be in the US. Canada has different incentives. I would shop more. Pricing in Michigan has been pretty good from my recollection. Certainly better than the Northeast. Good Luck
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Kubota B7800 Vs New Holland TC24D vs John Deere 4115
Kubota Tractors
Replies 12 Post by Pacesetter

To be fair, you really need to compare the 3130 to the 4310. That said, you can't go wrong with either. When I sat on them I felt more comfortable on the JD. That's just a subjective opinion on my part. For me it would come down to price, financing and dealer. I would shop around more to see what's out there. I think the first thing you need to decide is if the tractor fits your requirements. Both are overkill for mowing five acres and too small for bush hogging twenty. JMHO
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Kubota L3130 vs John Deere 4210 both hydro
Kubota Tractors
Replies 12 Post by Pacesetter

First, I would check as the 4300 became the 4310 in 2002, Second does it qualify for the low rate financing now available? Also depends what part of the country you are in. Some areas sell cheaper than others. It doesn't sound like a bad deal, but I wouldn't be at the dealers door Monday morning cash in hand without doing some more homework.
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JD 4300 price check
John Deere Tractors
Replies 7 Post by Pacesetter

There's a strong possibility that Century will have a dealer in Maine shortly. I saw one for $13,500 at a dealer with loader and R4 tires. 30HP, 12 speed shuttle, weighs #3700 and will lift #2500 (3X the 790). Also Kioti has two, a dealer in Poland and one near Kittery. Right now I would recommend the TC30 over the 790. Best deal I found on those is Scamman in Saco. The 790 has no hydraulics. If you plan to bush hog for a side business, you won't be able to use a very big one as max lift is around #800 at the links. As plots1 says the shift on the floor gets old quick. I've been through this for the past nine months and am willing to share what I have learned if you eMail me privately.
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Considering the 790
John Deere Tractors
Replies 20 Post by Pacesetter

Darrel, There really are no bad chioces. It depends mostly on what YOU like best and your comfort with the dealer. One factor for me was financing. All offer good terms, but some offer terms that might fit your needs better. Of the big three, JD fit ME the best and offered the best financing. I was much more comfortable with my NH dealer and I DID like the Super Steer. I wasn't comfortable with any of the local Kubota dealers, but their engine is great and they have the best hydrostatic transmission. In your case I would recommend a hydro. If not for that, one of the Korean tractors is also an option. Kioti, Mahindra and Century-Branson offer great, reliable machines at impressive prices. You are on the right track with 40+ HP I ended up with 48, you can never have too much HP or money in the bank.
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New to the board and new to compact tractors
New Holland Tractors
Replies 24 Post by Pacesetter

Pretty sure that it's one of the Chinese Jinmas. They sell under a number of different names. Between excessive depreciation and repairs I personally think they are false economy. You sound like a perfect candidate for a Korean tractor. Kioti, Mahindra or Century-Branson twins. I ended up with a Century 3045. It has the same (48 HP Yanmar four) engine as a John Deere 4710 and was $7000 less. In my instance it was also less than the Kioti or Mahindra, but that changes with dealers. My decision was also based on my positive relationship with the dealer and factory rep. I could own a Kioti and Mahindra and be very happy, if I had the same support.
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farm pro
Other Tractor Brands
Replies 4 Post by Pacesetter

rr, You certainly don't have an excess of power with a 755/hydro, but I would think it could handle a 60" RFM.. For whatever reason, rear discharge mowers do take more power than side. There could be other factors too, like gearbox ratio. The ratio might be high to get good tip speed for a nice finish cut. Can your tractor pick the mower up easily? I know the 790 would be marginal for #600 any distance from the links. I would try and go over the same area twice and see if there is any difference. If it handles it better second time, you might need to cut more frequently. Hope this helps
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Finish Mower Help
Mowers Field and Finish
Replies 7 Post by Pacesetter

John, Catching this in the middle. If you know the circumference relationship of the original set of tires, you shouldn't have to know the ratios. IE: if the fronts are 60" and the rears 120", taking the rears as 100% the fronts would be 50%. If you change to 130" rear tires the fronts would have to be 65" (+ - ). Clear as mud??
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B7200 vs B6200 tires take III final time
Kubota Tractors
Replies 7 Post by Pacesetter

When Ricker started the post, he was looking at Chinese Nor Tracs. I think mentioning the Korean big three was appropriate. In my area the TC30 and JD790 are about $2000 more than the Century 2028 I mentioned. I personally have no use for the 790, but that's my opinion. Given a choice between TC30 and JD790 the TC30 is by far the better value. Still $2000 is a lot more to spend to get less tractor.
The Century I mentioned is overbuilt to an extreme. It uses the same drivetrain (12x12 shuttle) as their 48HP tractor(the one with the same Yanmar engine as a JD4710). Has three times the 3-PT capacity of the 790. It weighs over 3600 lbs. and is powered by a Cummins licensed diesel. Kukje (makers of Century) make JD 5000 series tractors and Cummins diesels for the Asian market. For someone looking not to spend a lot, I think the Korean tractors are at least worth a look. They should not dismissed so lightly.
JMHO
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NorTrac Tractors
Jinma Farmpro Agracat Nortrac
Replies 21 Post by Pacesetter

Check out a TR3. They will send a video for you to check out. It is 1/2 the price of a Harley rake and seems to do more. I was looking at one, but can't justify the price for my limited use.
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Doing it right and fast
Everything and Anything
Replies 13 Post by Pacesetter

In that price range, you should be able to get a Yanmar, Mitsubishi/Bolens or Kioti to name a few. Figure it being close to 20 years old. You would be better off with diesel 4WD. Smaller is sometiems better when it comes to these units. They will outwork an old 8N, 9N hands down. JMHO
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need compact tractor
Operating and Attachments
Replies 12 Post by Pacesetter

You made a great choice! Good luck with the new baby!
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purchasing used rental 4200 vs new 4210
John Deere Tractors
Replies 11 Post by Pacesetter

I think the chassis on your 1240 is the same as the 1250 and 1260. You don't mention rims. You would have to most likely change them too because the wider tires would need wider rims. Not sure of your sizes, but I know some tractors of the same chassis like the JD4210 and 4310 use 14" and 15" tires respectively on front. Good Luck!
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Bigger R-4 s
Parts and Repair
Replies 3 Post by Pacesetter

Bob, I would check with the Midwest line. They seem to offer the best value for the money. I will try to post a link for further information. Generally, King Kutter ,Howse etc. from places like Tractor Supply and Northern Tool are low end implements. Companies like Woods, Befco etc. are high end. Midwest seems to be the best value between the two extremes. I was at an open house last week and the dealer had a Woods 720 cutter and a King Kutter same size. There is no comparison in quality. Of course the price is double too! You get what you pay for. That's not to say that the KK won't work for you if you use it occasionally and don't use it hard. IF you use it every week and the Woods lasts 20 years and the KK five years, what is the best value? JMHO
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Backblade
New Holland Tractors
Replies 4 Post by Pacesetter

John, First the 790 doesn't have enough 3-PT lift capacity for your Brush Hog. I love JD tractors, but there is much better value eleswhere in the under $20K range. I would check out the big three from Korea before looking used. Century - Branson (identical except for loaders) Kioti and Mahindra. My local Century dealer had a 30HP tractor with R4 tires quick attach loader for $13,500 out the door (plus tax etc.). This is the minimum tractor I would get for your size acerage. I just ordered a 48HP Century for my 20 acres. The universal feeling is that all the Korean tractors are an exceptional value for the money. JMHO
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what tractor
John Deere Tractors
Replies 16 Post by Pacesetter

First, I would suggest putting the ad in the classifieds section. Secondly IMHO the price is a little high. In round numbers the tractor with FEL should go for $12,500 new and the implements between $2500 and $3000. Given to go new, you get reduced financing, I would think you need a little more room to make the deal attractive.
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Selling my Kubota
Kubota Tractors
Replies 9 Post by Pacesetter

I guess different books have different prices. My Book shows: $8660, $8020 and $7450 respectively. Figuring a FEL adds about $2500 in value, the pricing is right on. I just question the 2WD. Unless you are sure it will work well for your application, I would hold out for a 4WD.
Regarding the clutch, if it does need replacement soon, it could cost around $1000 as a ballpark figure. If you're really set on this tractor, I would allow for the worst and offer $1000 less than you would if you were shown paperwork that the clutch were just replaced..If you would offer $10,500 for the tractor, I would offer $9500. If the clutch goes, you don't get burned and if it doesn't you're ahead of the game. JMHO
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Terminal problem or just out of adjustment
New Holland Tractors
Replies 6 Post by Pacesetter