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 | deamtn
Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 26 north carolina 
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2004-08-11 93260
Have been looking at both tractors, does anyone have a feel if the price differerance is worth price difference? Is the difference in the hp something that will be real noticeable?
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 | grassgod
Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 566 ct 
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2004-08-11 93265
Not really. You will have a tad more rear wheel power & that will be the only difference. So while carry heavy things you may need to use a lower speed or use more RPM's. ....
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 | Chief
Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 4297 Southwest MiddleTennessee 
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2004-08-11 93266
Depending upon your intended future uses; the lack of extra pto hp could be sorely noticed. ....
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| grassgod
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2004-08-11 93269
Cheif - Just at out of curiousity( I am not doubting you) what implements would require more pto Hp? Bottom plow maybe? ....
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| Chief
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2004-08-11 93270
Heavy rotary cutting for one. PTO generator use for another (figure 2 hp for each Kw.) I have used up every bit of pto hp on my 4410 doing some heavy thick finish mowing with the MMM. Depending upon how big of a price jump we are talking about; I would say just about always go a bit more. If the price jump is like between the Deere 4310 and 4410 (about $1,500) I would say no, it is not worth it but in some unusual circumstances it could be. I am saying to very carefully condsider the uses you plan for the machine and leave yourself some fudge factor. You can never have enough fudge. ;o) ....
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2004-08-11 93271
Chief - How tall was the grass in inches & what height did you cut it at approx? What is fertilized grass? ....
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| Chief
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2004-08-11 93272
The grass is pasture grass that I cut about 5 " high. It gets to above knee height at times and is on very steep slopes which also eats hp. Got treated with 19-19-19 this Spring. ....
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2004-08-11 93275
Sounds like you cut about 18" - 20" off! how fast dod you mow it & were you able to mow it in one pass? ....
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| Chief
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2004-08-11 93278
Depends on how thick the grass is but I usually mow at a slow to brisk walk speed. Most times I get it all with one pass. When you hit the hp limit of the engine you will notice a rapid fall off of rpm unless the eHydro pedal is let up some.
We are getting off topic and meandering away from deamtn's original question. The L3130 may be plenty depending upon the uses intended. If you will notice there is a hp war on between the CUT manufacturers. Part of this is a sales driven phenomenon but the big reason for the added hp is that folks want more hp for the reasons I stated above. The generator issue is probably the biggest. A 15 Kw pto generator requires a minimum 30 pto hp to run but most houses require about 20 Kw to be fully powered (especially country homes on wells). With a breakered switch panel most can get by with 10 to 15 Kw. The L3130 with HST trans makes 24 pto hp; enough to run a 12 Kw. The L3830 with HST makes 30.5 pto hp; enough to run a 15 Kw and perhaps handle heavy surge draw. To run a 20 Kw generator; you would need the L5030. 30 pto hp is a very nice compromise and useful hp range on a CUT in my opinion. Can you get by with less? Absolutely! Just plan its uses before you buy. ....
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| deamtn
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2004-08-11 93279
The pricing spread seems to be a little above $1000.00 from the 3130 the 3430. But as for the 3430 to 3830 there is a much greater sprread. ....
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2004-08-12 93292
I've been using my new (last thurs) 3130HST to cut the pasture. I've got some steep hills and weeds chest-high. Chief is right-on about the RPM drop going up the hill while cutting (60" bushhog) but letting up on the HST brings the RPMs right back up. I've found I'm better off if I climb a shallower spot I've already cut and go _down_ the steeper areas.
For a while I wondered if I'd underbought, but I really don't think so since I won't be letting it get this long now that I own a tractor, and it just hums along on the flats.
This tractor is amazing - it goes *anywhere*!
-Brian ....
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2004-08-12 93357
Congratulations Brian! I have the same machine with a GST. You will like it more & more as you use it. Enjoy! ....
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| deamtn
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2004-08-13 93414
I have been looking at a 3830 DT with 723 loader my best price so far has been $18,100.00. Does anyone have a feel for how this pricing stacks up? My concern is that at the end of the month with intrest rates going up and steel price going up also.
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2004-08-13 93467
That is an excellent price Deam! I would jump on it if I were you. I paid that for a 3130 with 723. ....
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2004-08-14 93549
Depending on a few options one way or another that could be the price difference at the same mark up. Diesels are meant to be run and I often feel that the longer you can run them under load the more they like it. If you never work one then you never get it up to operating temperature and the engines don't last as long as one that has been worked. We have seen this for a number of years with the larger farm tractors on light duty seem to have more engine problems the those that get run at capacity. The problem is they don't get broken in and then the problems multiply with internal failures. ....
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2004-08-15 93562
Thats very interesting Art. ....
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| Art White
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2004-08-16 93636
just for the sake of it the retail on a L-3130 with industrial tires is 17536 and the retail on a 3830DT with ag tires is 17954. Take a quick attach bucket on the 723 loader or just the HD bucket and the prices are nearly the same. ....
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| deamtn
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2004-08-16 93675
Art, retail pricing for the three units as I was told with IND tires, 3130 DT $15,886, 3430 DT, $17086 and the 3830 DT $18,386.00. If this is the case everything else being the same will I see the difference in performance to spend the extra money. There has been numerous post on the 3130 and most everyone has been very satified with the ability of this unit. The one thing that I don't want to do is sell myself short. This will be the first tractor that I will own that will be a 4 wheel drive with a loader. ....
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| Art White
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2004-08-17 93728
Those are the correct retail prices on those tractors. When I am quoting or working with customers I try to not have people buy more then they need and often do to there dissappointments with prior equipments performance that is what they base there needs on. To have it so you only need to run your tractor for short periods without bringing it up to temperature for extended periods is not good for the long term with a diesel. You have nearly identical weights which means you can only push or pull so much. The PTO work should be where you can help to break the tractor in with longevity for the unit. At the 3830 size do you plane to run a larger bush-hog then on the 3430? ....
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| deamtn
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2004-08-23 94251
Art, sorry for the delay in getting back to your post. i have been out of town on business. To answer your question I will be using the same size bush hog on both units. Also I will be skidding some trees along with loader work moving rocks in clay soil. ....
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