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2005-09-19          116635


Anyone know if there is such a thing available?

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2005-09-19          116638

I'm sure one of the aftermarket companies, there are several, makes one in a size that will fit. It will however come at a price. In both dollars and function.

A 4-in-1 bucket is heavier than a standard bucket, a LOT heavier. Every pound you add to the dead weight of a loader is a pound less that it can lift.

I'm not sure a BX has many pounds of useful lift to spare.

If memeory serves me correctly, a BX23 only has about 450 pounds of lift at the bucket mid-point. Any 4-in-1 I've seen in that size (for a SSL) weighed about 350 pounds.

You might be better off with forks instead.

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2005-09-19          116643


Well that rules that out.

Thanks for the info Murf.

DT.
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2005-09-19          116644



BTW, nice spread you got there Murf.
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2005-09-20          116660

Happy to help, and thanks. ....

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2005-09-20          116662

A couple of things to point out.First the difference in weight between the 2 buckets would be all that matters,not the FULL weight of the 4 in 1.The lift capacity is figured without the standard buckets weight!Second the lift capacity of the BX is 460lbs at full height. ....

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2005-09-20          116664


Point well taken.

I'll have to look into it.

If the 4-1 leaves me with some reasonable lift I'll get one. >380 lbs would bee satisfactory. All I have to do is look around to see multiple uses for it.

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DT.

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2005-09-20          116667

You may be better off with just a grapple on the standard bucket. Weight and $$$ wise.

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2005-09-20          116670

Jeepers, that doesn't make sense to your arguement, if the lift capacity is at full height it would mean you have LESS lift at ground level not MORE.

A FEL is an exercise in leverage using hydraulics, the further out the load, the less lift capacity you have, when the FEL is near the top of it's arc it is almost overhead, and the length of the 'lever' is almost zero, is when it develops the most capacity.

Dollar-wise AV8R's idea is sound, but I don't think a regular bucket, plus the grapple, would weigh any less than a 4-in-1 would.

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2005-09-20          116671

And where do you get that? "Lift Capacity at full height
460 lbs." That is a direct quote from the Kubota BX site!Breakout is 950lbs,they do NOT list any halfway measurements!I don't get where you are getting your numbers! Also how is it I am in error?I know what you said,I am just saying I see NO halfway point maesurements given.There should NOT be much a difference between halfway and full anyway. ....

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2005-09-20          116677

I owned a BX2200 that was rated at 450-460lbs of lift. I put 750lbs of concrete blocks in the bucket at waist high level. The tractor felt a little tippy. Don't know how much more it could have lifted because there was no more room in the bucket. ....

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2005-09-20          116680

Jeepers, please don't take disagreements as personal attacks.

This is a forum, a place to freely exchange thoughts and ideas, to get and give advice.

Now, here again is the logic behind my statement.

A FEL lifts a load by applying hydraulic pressure to a pair of cylinders until the force exerted exceeds the mass to be lifted. Period. Now, as the load gets further out from the pivot point more force is required to do the same work (lifting), and vice-versa, the closer the less force required, which translates into more capacity with the same lifting force.

"I don't get where you are getting your numbers!" The only numbers I used was "4-in-1". I gave no "halfway point" numbers. I just said that as the load goes up, it gets closer, and therefore will take less force to lift.

Don't confuse the issue by adding breakout force into the mix, it has very little to do with lift capacity since it is a measurement which includes more than one circuit and not just lift. It is more a 'digging' measurement than a 'lifting' one.

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2005-09-20          116681

DieselPusher,

Fortunately, the buckets on the these tractors are sized to align themselves with probable materials carried. Although stone dust as a example is more easy to overload.

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2005-09-20          116690

Murf,
I had just been looking at the manual for my JD 70 loader the other day, I looked it up again.
Capacity at full hight(77.3") 755#
Capacity at 18" 1190#
Capacity at 36" 1010#
Capacity at 72" 735#
Breakout (boom) 1300#
Breakout (bucket) 1570#
I wonder how you get your 755# load of dirt to 77.3"?
I agree that what you stated before sounds right, but clearly there is more to the story----------
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2005-09-21          116709

The rest of the story is mechanical advantage.Because of the changing relationship of the three pivot points(loader, cylinder base, cylinder end) as the loader rises, while the hydaulic pressure remains constant, the leverage does not.The loader is configured for max advantage at ground level.
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2005-09-21          116715

Hettric, those numbers make total sense, but based purely on just one point of view.

Liability.

The higher a load gets the more chance there is the machine could tip since the front axle pivots in the center. The machine would therefore be rated for higher loads low to the ground where it is safer.

Again, breakout is a whole different story since it uses several hyd. ciurcuits and not just the lift cylinders.

Best of luck. ....

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