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 | jonathanengr
Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 100 Bostic, North Carolina 
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2004-04-15 83204
I was posting in the RFM section about buying a finishing mower because the price of the mid PTO and MMM was so high. However, someone told me to double-check the quotes I received from the dealer.
My dealer told me the mid-PTO on the L3430 was $2000, and the MMM was in addition to this figure. Is this correct? It seems astronomical! Does anyone have any idea what it would cost to get the mid PTO and a MMM? Thanks!
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 | Chief
Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 4297 Southwest MiddleTennessee 
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2004-04-15 83208
As a bench mark comparison, for instance, John Deere charges $390 list price for the mid pto option on its 4410 which is a comparable tractor to the L3430. Most times you can get it for around $350 when combined with a new tractor package. I just cannot see how you get to $2000 for the same thing on a comparable Kubota. Are you sure they weren't quoting you the price for MMM and mid pto?
Art, we could use your expertise here! ;o) ....
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| Chief
Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 4297 Southwest MiddleTennessee
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2004-04-15 83209
Have you called around to other Kubota dealers and compared pricing on the same maching with pto and what they charge for the mid pto option? ....
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| jonathanengr
Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 100 Bostic, North Carolina
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2004-04-15 83221
OUCH!!! Just got off the phone with a dealer and they quoted me $350 for the mid PTO and **$2700** for the belly mower. Why so much??? When you can buy a 72" RFM for $1100 it makes that a hard thing to justify--it's one-third of the cost! ....
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 | kwschumm
Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 5764 NW Oregon
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2004-04-15 83224
And THAT is why I'll buy a separate riding mower if/when I have the need to mow. ....
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| jonathanengr
Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 100 Bostic, North Carolina
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2004-04-15 83225
Well, I'm not sure about that, but I think I'm definitely going to go with the RFM. I don't think they make any "lawn mower" with an enclosed cab! ....
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| kwschumm
Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 5764 NW Oregon
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2004-04-15 83226
Ah yes, the yellow jacket problem. Out here we bait for them early in the season which works pretty well. ....
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| jonathanengr
Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 100 Bostic, North Carolina
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2004-04-15 83227
How do you bait them? That might be very useful. As for the cab-it's actually more than just the yellow jacket problem. Sunburn, allergies, dust, flying debris, etc., etc., etc. And with an open yard I just can't imagine anything being a faster mower than a tractor with a 72" or 84" finishing mower. ....
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| kwschumm
Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 5764 NW Oregon
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2004-04-15 83229
Here's a link that has lots of text. Scroll about a third of the way down until it mentions baiting. I use the bait guard traps with Cyfluthrin. I tried the loganberry and salmon paste they sell and they didn't work all that well for us, but bacon grease does. Found that out by accident - we cook our bacon on the BBQ and I forgot the pan outside one day. It drew yellow jackets like a magnet. ....
Link: Yellow Jacket Control
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| Chief
Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 4297 Southwest MiddleTennessee
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2004-04-15 83242
Again, make sure you compare apples to apples. What guage steel is the RFM, blade material, anti-scalp wheels & rollers, blade tip speed, gearbox, safety shielding & other safety protections, etc. I think once you compare the MMM features with an RFM mower with that same or very similar features; you will again go into sticker shock. You would have a coronary if you priced a John Deere 7 Iron 72" MMM, but they are built to last and the heaviest built in the industry using a one piece 7 guage stamping for the mower. Your preferences and cost considerations will be the final judge. Both types make a nice cut but have their pro's and cons. ....
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 | grinder
Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 677 central Maine 
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2004-04-16 83267
Have you looked for a used MMM? I too reeled a little at the price of a new one,appx. 2300 for a 60". I found a used
one, used twice for 1400.00. Took Art's advice and chose the MMM. Have not used it yet as spring hasn't sprung!
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| jonathanengr
Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 100 Bostic, North Carolina
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2004-04-16 83273
Speaking of tip speed, what speed should I be looking for? Is there a "rule of thumb" minimum where anything below gives a less-than-adequate cut? This is very new to me... this criteria has never been mentioned--even by tractor sales folk.
Same for the other criteria--do I *really* need a heavy-duty deck? Here's the specs as shown on the Tractor Supply website:
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One-piece 3/16" thick deck. 4 gauge wheel construction for less scalping. 40 H.P. gear box. Category one hitch. 3 offset 1/4" thick heat treated blades. Easy mower height adjustment.
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It also has an anti-scalp roller on the front and includes the PTO shaft. ....
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 | Murf
Join Date: Dec 1999 Posts: 7249 Toronto Area, Ontario, Canada
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2004-04-16 83288
Actually Jonathan I hat to throw a spanner in the works, but a lot of FMM's (front-deck mowers) ARE available with a cab.
There are also several aftermarket cab manufacturers that produce cabs for models that the manufacturer themselves doesn't make a cab for.
Also, if you select a FMM with a 4 post ROPS / canopy combination it is very easy to just add plexiglass between the posts and a simple hinged door to the front.
As for speed, because FMM's run low pressure turfs which add a sort of suspension and are designed for one purpose only, cutting grass, you would be VERY hard-pressed to cut any faster with a CUT than you could with a FMM based on equal size decks.
Best of luck.
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 | oneace
Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1490 south central pa 
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2004-04-16 83355
speaking of fmm nh has one that you can get a cab for and has 4wd options snow blower broom and blade. up to 35 hp but pretty expensive. base price 16,500 all the way up to 35,000 now that is an OUCH ....
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