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2004-10-08          97933


So what do we pull these 7 8 10 & 12 K pound loaded trailers with?
I get the impression that the half,three quarter and even one ton trucks can't handle them!




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2004-10-08          97937


My 3/4 ton Dodge/Cummins handles 15000+ pounds with no problem.

IMHO a half ton pickup truck is nothing more than a car with a big open trunk. I wouldn't waste my money on one.
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2004-10-08          97938


International makes a pickup with the stuff to haul big boys toys. Yes, International is now making their first pickup in about 30 years? It is called the International 7300 CXT. It will get a lot of drools. But I have had no complaints from the F-350 with a 460 turd engine hauling 14000 lb trailer, loaded near capacity. 6MPG is not good. The cummins also did fine and I am in very hilly Pennsylvania. Right now I pull with a Japanese 1 ton. Mitsubishi Fuso 4x4, 11,600 GVW. It does OK with only 125 HP 3.9 liter engine. Slow but never stops. ....


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2004-10-08          97940


Just sold my Isuzu 14500 gvw 175 hp 4 and bought an International 4700 dt 408 210 hp 25500 gvw. Has TWO 50+ gallon tanks, I'm scared!!! Diesel is 2.24 here today, was 2.17 yesterday and 2.15 the day before 2.11 day before that, man did I screw up? That Isuzu got better milage then anything I own, including the explorer. ....


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2004-10-08          97941


the International 7300 CXT
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The CXT can handle the weight, but the bed's too small . ....


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2004-10-08          97943


I pull my 10,000#, 18' trailer with a F-250 HD Ford pickup (460 CI gasser).
Pulls the trailer fine, gas milage while pull it bites... ....


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2004-10-09          97967


I just towed about 6000lbs with my '87 F-250 4x4, 460 auto. I hardly knew it was there. Mileage was around 9 mpg.

Years ago I had a boat that went about 3500lbs on the trailer with equipment. I towed this with a '72 Chevy Impala 350 auto, '85 F-150 4x2, 302 auto, and a '79 Bronco 351M auto. All three vehicles handled the boat just fine but surpisingly the Chevy did the best job. Had more power than either of the trucks and still got around 15 mpg. The Bronco was the best on a steep ramp, just shift into 4x4 low and creep right out.

No real point to that except to say I don't think a 1/2 ton truck will work very well with the heavier loads of a tractor and implements. If it's in the budget some of the newer 3/4 and 1 ton trucks have some serious tow ratings.

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2004-10-09          97972


I tow my 4115 TLB and 16 foot flatbed (total weight about 5800 pounds) with my Tundra 4x4.

Unlike many light trucks it is designed from the ground up to tow. It has a tranny designed for the job and a factory oil cooler.

It is rated for a 7200 pound load and it will pull my tractor over Donner Pass at 70 MPH and get 13 MPG while doing it. ....


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2004-10-09          97977


I cast my vote with AV8R for the Dodge 3/4 ton Cummins diesel pickup with the manual transmission. I have had mine for over 2 years and I LOVE mine. It has been a fantastic truck! I got 25 mpg on my last trip. I typically get about 18 mpg normal towing and 16 mpg very heavy max weight towing. I have the 6 speed manual and will never own an automatic trans. again. ....


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2004-10-09          97978


Cheif, last night at 11 pm I took delivery of a tandem duel trailer, 6000 pounds. Along with this one was another of the same, a skid stear trailer, another car trailer and a 50 foot goose neck car trailer that everything was on,total of 35,000 pounds behind this truck. This is the killer, it was a 2002 Dodge one ton,diesel, he had a chip controller on the dash but even still I couldn't believe it. AND he bought it new and it now has 305,000 miles on it all hauling loads like this. 35000 ponds, my friends tandem axle Mack with a 300 horse 1400 lbs of torque Mack engine isn't rated for that!!!! ....


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2004-10-10          98016


I pull my tractor weighing around 10000 lbs with a three quarter ton Duramax. I got 16.9 mpg on my last trip to the property. I really like the truck's power and milage when it comes to moving heavy loads. ....


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2004-10-10          98025


For the Duramax folks, I came across this on another site. Doesn't look like it applies to all but something to be aware of. ....


Link:   Duramax Faulty Injectors Post

 

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2004-10-11          98063


The top three are all useing the same injectors now , So hopefully BOSCH has there crap togather or any of them could see the same problem. ....


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2004-10-12          98177


I routinely run around with 10k # out the back (see my picture # 19) sometimes with too many extra toys along it gets up towards 15k # but that only affects the 'off the line' performance. My tweaked F-350 with the PSD & 6 speed hardly feels it.

The only time I feel it is when the missus swats my for passing 4 cars at a time.....

Lucerne, I wouldn't be complaining about diesel at the price your paying, we have been around US$4.00 / US gallon ($0.80 Cdn. / litre) for quite some time now.

Best of luck. ....


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2004-10-15          98472


I sure hope this is not the case but might be a good FYI to keep an eye out for.

I am not sure that the Cummins engine uses the same injector. ....


Link:   04 Duramax injector problems

 

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2004-10-16          98531


Murf, how many miles are you putting on your power strokes? We're finding they are pretty well dead at 200,000 miles is that what your finding? ....


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2004-10-18          98628


Art, we're not finding that at all. In fact the one truck we have very rarely leaves the yard without a float on the back of it, it has about 300,000 miles on it and we're thinking of doing a rebuild on it this winter, but only because the chassis is a 2001 and in fantastic shape. It certainly still pulls strong and has been trouble-free. It has also had an oil change every 3,000 miles (5,000 km) since new.

When you say 'dead' what exactly are you referring to?

My own truck has 155,000 miles on it and still runs like the day I bought it.

On average we run them about 250,000 miles or about 400,000 kilometers before we replace them.

Best of luck. ....


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2004-10-18          98648


It seems that around 175,000 miles they need turbo's. By 200,000 they are low on compression and on the sticks the flyweels are loose. By that time the wiring harness on the engine has needed to be replaced to keep the glow plugs working. We change the oils at 4000 miles but don't run low grade oils. Other then the price of gas the 460 seems to be a bargin although they don't run the horsepower but we have run them well beyond 250,000 miles with no troubles. It seems the package replacement from Jasper which comes complete is the way to go for the money. ....


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2004-10-18          98653


Art: Time for a Cummins. Sorry, Murph. LOL ....


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2004-10-18          98672


AV8R, no need to be sorry, it's not me driving the Cummins.

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Seriously, I have a 6TB in a medium truck, it's a good motor, it just too narrow a power band, it needs a bunch more gears than the factory will give you get in a pickup.

Best of luck. ....


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2004-10-18          98678


You've got six speeds to choose from and a power band that puts me over 600 ft./lbs. of torque from 1,600 rpm up to the governed 2,900 rpm on the 2005 models. That should be plenty of power band. ....


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2004-10-18          98690


In my reading on the subject of oils, the common wisdom is that turbo's are really hard on standard motor oils.

It seems synthetics withstand the ultra-high bearing temps better without cooking off. And it also seems like a good idea to let the turbo's spin down to idle before shutting off the engine.

Art: Have you tried synthetic oils in this application?

Or how about an auxiliary external oil pump to circulate the oil before and after running the engine?

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2004-10-19          98711


The oils we are using are designed for more then we could ever give a truck other then for field use. They don't seem to breaking down. Local large truck dealers have varified these same failures on there version of these engines. ....


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2004-10-19          98720


Randy, I realize they have 6 speed trannys, my Ford does too, but that in reality is only 4 forward gears since one is a bull-low & 1 an O/D. The problem is the spread between the gears, they bias the spread to suit 'average' driving, pulling loaded tri-axle or tandem duals float out the back is hardly 'average'. With my medium duty, there are 10 forward speeds, excluding bull-lows or O/D's. The torque ratings, according to Cummins, are only to about the 2,400 rpm point, after that they fall off rather dramatically. That means it's only making big torque over an 800 rpm band at best.

Mark, the oil suffers even more abuse in a PSD since the oil is also used as hydraulic fluid in the 'direct injection' fuel injectors. Anti-foaming properties are so critical that you can actually feel the power loss if you use the wrong oil or it is due for an oil change. The use of synthetics leads to longer change cycles and even more deterioration of the anti-foaming additives.

Art, maybe it's just 'Murphy's Law' working in reverse but we haven't really had any of those problems. We have had a couple of the torsion springs in the clutches fail, but they were covered under warranty, no questions asked.

Best of luck. ....


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2004-10-19          98743


In my hot rod days I retrofitted turbos onto a couple of cars. I can't speak to the other failures but pre and post oiling is critical on turbos regardless of the oil used. I thought most manufacturers were already using them in production vehicles but maybe not (IMHO they would be stupid not to). In my experience in Arizona (where everything runs hot) I used to have the turbos rebuilt every 25k miles or so due to bearing pack failures, even when running synthetics and changing oil every 3k miles. The oil would cook off and oil lines and fittings would coke up. After adding pre and post oilers I never suffered another failure. Dana makes a nice setup for diesel engines I believe. ....


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2004-10-20          98853


I can see the very first few posts more than likely spooked most others away from posting but I just saw this and will chime in. I have not been pulled backwards down a hill yet but I do use my silverado K1500. Of course I dont pull for a living and dont own any buisness but do occasionally have to tow a load or two. In my opinion, from my experiance, for the "occasional puller" Nothing wrong with a half ton. Of course I would like to have ,more power and weight but the other 150k miles that I put on a truck "including trying to park in a comercial parking lot) I dont mind my truck at all.
See guys???? it dont hurt to admit it!!!!
Yes my name is TOM and I pull with as 1/2 ton truck.
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